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Mormons dress in 19th century Masonic clothes - perform Masonic rituals twisted into Mormon necrotic ceremonies wherein they pronounce your name aloud - and confirmed you baptized AND as a member of the Mormon Cult (with the words, "who is dead" inserted). This all done within a paying ?members-only? temple in absolute secrecy.
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Baptism For The Dead
Saturday, Apr 8, 2006, at 08:14 AM
Original Author(s): Infymus
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
Mormons believe that a person who dies without baptism must wait in a Spiritual Prison until someone on earth does a baptism by proxy for them. They can then accept or reject that baptism. These baptisms are performed in Mormon temples.

Adolf Hitler has been baptized three times and thousands of his Jewish victims have been baptized as well.

It's safe to assume that none of these people have Mormon descendants.

Every time there is a public outcry over indiscriminate vicarious baptisms, the church comes out and promises not to do it again. And then it continues the demeaning practice until it gets caught again and then the cycle starts over again.

There's systematic correlation of temple records, so vicarious ordinances routinely are performed on the same person more than once.

Senior Mormon Missionaries pour over graveyards and court records looking for deceased. These names are then submitted and a baptism for that dead person is performed in a Mormon Temple. No permission is given as Mormons feel they are obeying their God in doing necro baptisms.
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Mormons Baptise The Dead Regardless Of Permission
Thursday, Feb 24, 2005, at 10:05 AM
Original Author(s): Nmugrad
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
A friend recently found out one of her dead relatives had been baptized, and nobody in their extended family did it. The ancestor was an atheist so the family felt he would not have appreciated this. Do Mormons only baptize relatives located through genealogy searches, or any names they find?

Adolf Hitler has been baptized three times and thousands of his Jewish victims have been baptized as well. It's same to assume that none of these people have Mormon descendants. Every time there is a public outcry over indiscriminate vicarious baptisms, the church comes out and promises not to do it again. And then it continues the demeaning practice until it gets caught again and then the cycle starts over again. There's systematic correlation of temple records, so vicarious ordinances routinely are performed on the same person more than once.

The church used to have full time employees that would go to local govt offices all around the world and get info on births and deaths in various communities and forward that info on to the gen. library in SLC. Ordinance are then done for these individuals regardless of their family religion, family approval or even family notification.

I have a friend who did this work for the church as an employee in Louisiana for about 3 years. He would go to local parish offices and gather info for the church. Now, however, I think that the church just sends out the older missionaries to do this work..why pay for it when you can get someone to do it for free?

They harvest names wherever they can find them. Cemetaries, obits, encyclopedias, city or church records. In spite of objection from the Jewish community and the Russion Orthodox Church, the last time I heard, they were still baptising holocaust victims and names they bought from a museum in Moscow.
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Jews, Mormons To Meet Over Baptisms
Friday, Apr 8, 2005, at 10:07 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From the SFGate:
Jewish leaders claim Mormons continue to posthumously baptize Jews and Holocaust victims, and will confront church leaders with a decade of frustration over what they call broken promises.

"We have proof, and we are bringing that," said Ernest Michel, chairman of the New York-based World Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors.

The Mormon church has long collected names from government documents and other records worldwide for posthumous baptisms. Church members stand in for the deceased non-Mormons, a ritual the church says is required for the dead to reach heaven. The church believes individuals' ability to choose a religion continues beyond the grave.

Michel plans to show posthumous baptism records to church officials in meetings Sunday and Monday. He says the records prove tens of thousands of Jews, including some who died in Nazi concentration camps, were posthumously baptized over the past 10 years and as recently as last month.

A 1995 agreement signed by Jewish leaders and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints called for an immediate halt to unwanted proxy baptisms. After evidence was found in the church's massive International Genealogical Index that the baptisms for many Jews - including Anne Frank - continued, the two faiths reaffirmed the agreement in 2002.

"Nobody asked me, nobody asked my cousin. It's ridiculous," Skydell said.
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Holocaust Victims Don't Deserve Protection From Crazy Mormon Cult?
Monday, Apr 11, 2005, at 08:19 AM
Original Author(s): Knownot
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
Tom Said:

If they (the Jewish leaders) are motivated merely with a desire to ensure an injustice is not done, perhaps they ought to start on the behaviour of their own nation state towards its own Palestinian citizens.

Well Tom, that it a telling statement to include in your defense of leaving Mormons alone to "do their own thing". Did it occur to you that, although the "Jewish leaders" may be directly related to holocaust victims, their present rights and wrongs have absolutely nothing to do with the obligation the world has to millions of victims burned, starved and killed in Nazi concentration camps?

Baptizing those people Mormon is offensive. Not because "Jewish leaders" say so, but rather it's just common sense. I don't have to be related to Nazi holocaust victims to know their memory and dignity should be honored and protected. The very LEAST the world can do for those millions of innocent people murdered is prevent crazy cults and fraudulent con men from manipulating and tinkering with the family names and dignity of the victims.

The Mormons whimper and whine endlessly, day in and day out about the tragedies and suffering endured by the Mormon pioneers. I'm sure LDS, Inc. would do a lot of complaining if a rival cult began tinkering with the names and dignity of those mormon victims. Don't tell me LDS, Inc. is **above** that.
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Proxy Baptism Issue Is Resolved
Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005, at 07:45 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From the Salt Lake Tribune:
Jewish and Mormon leaders came to an amicable resolution Monday about the continued appearance of Jewish names on the LDS Church's genealogical index, used for the church's controversial practice of doing proxy baptisms for the dead.

Ernest Michel, chairman of the New York-based World Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, called the meetings "warm and satisfactory."

Essentially the two groups affirmed their 1995 agreement, in which The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints agreed to discontinue vicarious baptisms for Jewish victims and most other Jews as well as remove their names from the giant computerized International Genealogical Index - unless they are direct ancestors of current church members. They also created a joint oversight committee to be convened within six weeks that will explore reasons why the names keep popping up on the list.

Mormon leaders claim it is due to an unmanageably large list with billions of names and overzealous members who are not following church President Gordon B. Hinckley's directive to limit their submissions to those in their own family lines.
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2 Faiths Scrutinize Proxy Baptism Policy
Tuesday, Apr 12, 2005, at 07:55 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From the Deseret News:
Jewish leaders and the LDS Church will look for ways to more closely scrutinize the names of Jews and Holocaust victims submitted to the church for proxy baptism.

Representatives of the New York-based World Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors came to Salt Lake City saying the church had broken a 10-year-old agreement to refrain from the practice. Officials of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say the church has always kept its part of the understanding.

After meetings Sunday and Monday that both sides described as cordial, leaders from the two faiths reaffirmed the existing memorandum and formed a joint committee to resolve some remaining issues.

"We came to convince the church there has to be a change in their attitude about the posthumous baptism of Jews," said Ernest W. Michel, chairman of the Holocaust survivors group.

"We cannot say we have eliminated all the problems. They will have to be worked out. But in the spirit of this meeting, I am convinced they will be worked out."
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Personally I don't think the LDS Church should baptise anyone without permission. If they can't find a living relative, they have no right and no permission to baptise.
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Mormons Abusing Memory Of Deceased Russians
Wednesday, Apr 13, 2005, at 01:54 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
The Russian Inter-Religious Council has described as “deliberate abuse” the Mormon practice of enrolling deceased people in their organization. Russia is also subject to the practice, and it’s a pity there is no law to stop Mormons from doing it, Roman Silantyev, spokesman for the Council, told Interfax Tuesday.

“Followers of the U.S. Mormon sect have for several decades been known to collect information about the deceased of all confessions and then convert them to Mormonism by means of a magic ritual they call baptizing,” he said.

“All the traditional religions reject the practice and see it as a deliberate abuse of the memory of the deceased,” he added.

Last week the media reported that U.S. Mormons also “converted” the victims of the Holocaust, whose names they found published in the Holocaust Memory Book. The sources also said “convertions” took place in Russia, too.

“In Russia Mormons usually buy birth registers from local archives,” Silantiev said. “Local archives cooperate willingly because of financial strains,” he added.

The spokesman for the Russian Inter-Religious Council expressed concern that the there was no legislation to prohibit the Mormon practice. He called on people working with archives to be attentive and not to “sell dead souls” to “visiting swindlers”, Interfax reports.

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My Generations Held Hostage
Saturday, Jun 25, 2005, at 10:00 AM
Original Author(s): Anonymous
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
The one element of membership that kept me driving forward was the idea of doing a "great work" for my ancestors.

If there was anything that would make me put the blinders on - and make me want to return to the temple - was the idea that without this work - my ancestors will be "damned."

If there is anything to make me want to turn around and look back to the church - it would be the promise that doing the holy hokey-pokey would benefit those who went before.

More superstition than faith...

If there is an area where I am MOST angry is in this emotional blackmail.
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Hartford Courant Reporter Wrote Me Back About LDS Missionaries Cataloguing Gravestones In A CT Cemetary
Monday, Jan 16, 2006, at 04:36 AM
Original Author(s): Ptloma
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
Looks like this reporter, while well-meaning, didn't do her homework:

http://www.courant.com/features/lifes...

She fails to connect this activity with the unwanted publicity the LDS Church attracts when it's caught performing temple rites on people such as Holocaust victims, celebrities, and even Hillary Clinton's father.

Her e-mail address is at the bottom of the article. If you write, please be polite and respectful. She lives in a part of the country where most people haven't even met Mormons, let alone know one well. Here is what I wrote her:
Dear Ms. Campbell,

I enjoyed reading your well-written article in the Courant, but would like to expand upon the uses of the data gathered by the LDS Church. The Church PR version states that the names are catalogued and added to their geneaology records, so that members can perform proxy baptisms and endowments on behalf of deceased, nonmember ancestors.

In practice, however, MOST of the names gathered by the church are "run through the temples", that is, they are used for proxy temple ordinances by members who are in no way related to the deceased persons and who most likely know nothing about the deceased person in question. Additionally, the living descendants of such deceased persons, who most likely practice another religion (or none at all), are not even aware that their ancestors' names are being used in such proxy rituals.

The use of Holocaust victims has received the most prominent attention, because despite over a decade of promises, the LDS Church continues to perform proxy rites on behalf of Holocaust survivors. However, these victims are only a small proportion of the nonancestral (that is, those who are not direct ancestors of living members) names for whom proxy rites are performed in LDS temples. Even Hillary Clinton's late, very Methodist father has been "rebaptized" and endowed in the LDS Church.

The cemetary cataloguing effort is only one way the LDS Church obtains names for its files. Other missionaries offer to microfilm aging county death records....but only if the church receives a copy for itself. Other LDS missionaries labor at "name extraction", in which information is gleaned from newspaper obituaries and other public sources of record. No effort is made to determine whether these people have living descendants who are currently members of the LDS Church.

I have no qualms with LDS Church members performing these rites for their own ancestors, if they believe in the validity of such rituals. But dragging unrelated names into their religion, whether they are living or deceased, shows a blatant lack of respect for the wishes of those persons (since most presumably had a chance to join the LDS Church in life), as well as disregard for the feelings of the living descendant relatives. What if Brigham Young or Joseph Smith were posthumously made a Catholic or a Jew or a Moslem?
She did do me the courtesy of replying. Her reply is below.

She seems to be aware of the controversy of using names of deceased persons without consent of the living relatives, but doesn't seem to understand the extent of the problem. In addition, she seems to believe that the problem was solved with the latest series of meetings between LDS and Jewish leaders (the problem goes way beyond using the names of Holocaust victims, however....I doubt if anyone in the Hartford cemetary was a Holocaust victim).

What gets my goat is that the LDS Church cloaks these activities as "community service": offering to microfilm yellowing vital records in a rural county, or surveying a cemetary as took place in Connecticut. What the PR doesn't mention is that there are strings attached: the church is really after the data, and if the church wasn't allowed to keep a copy of the data, they wouldn't kindly offer to do these activities in the first place.
"I had read about the controversy regarding the Jewish deceased from a few years ago, but chose not to include it. The church says that people "on the other side" -- those who are already dead -- have the choice not to accept the baptism. It opens up a whole 'nuther can of worms, ethically speaking, to involve a person -- or a person's spirit -- in a church ceremony they did not choose during life. I didn't include the particular controversy over the Jewish deceased because at the time, as it appears from the news reports that the Mormons rather quickly apologized, and promised to back off.

I understand your concern about people being included in church rolls when they didn't choose that membership, themselves. It's not a practice I completely understand or would participate in. Speaking strictly personally -- and I hardly expect any one else to share this notion -- it's my religious thinking that if I'm dead, and someone tries to move me from one part of the Great Beyond to another, they will be sorely disappointed. To quote the great Popeye, I Yam What I Yam.

Have a good day.

Sincerely,

Susan Campbell"
I did reply to her and included links to news articles showing that the controversy (at least with respect to Holocaust victims) has not been resolved. I included links to CNN and NPR.
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The Simon Wiesenthal Center Calls On Mormon Church To Immediately Remove Simon Wiesenthal's Name From Database
Wednesday, Dec 20, 2006, at 11:46 AM
Original Author(s): The Simon Wiesenthal Center
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
The Simon Wiesenthal Center called on the Mormon Church to immediately remove Simon Wiesenthal from its online International Genealogical Index (IGI), which is the Mormon database of posthumous ordinances.

“We are astounded and dismayed that after assurances and promises by the Mormon Church that Mr. Wiesenthal's life and memory, along with so many other Jews, would be trampled and disregarded,” said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the Wiesenthal Center’s founder and dean.

“Simon Wiesenthal was one of the great Jews in the post-Holocaust period. He proudly lived as a Jew, died as a Jew, demanded justice for the millions of the victims of the Holocaust, and, at his request was buried in the State of Israel. It is sacrilegious for the Mormon faith to desecrate his memory by suggesting that Jews on their own are not worthy enough to receive G-ds’ eternal blessing, “added Rabbi Hier.

“We therefore urge the Church to remove his name and the names of all other Holocaust victims immediately,” Hier concluded.

The Simon Wiesenthal Center is one of the largest international Jewish human rights organizations with over 400,000 member families in the United States. It is an NGO at international agencies including the United Nations, UNESCO, the OSCE, and the Council of Europe.

For more information, please contact the Center's Public Relations Department, 310-553-9036.
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Mormons Take Simon Wiesenthal's Name Off Necro-Baptism List
Wednesday, Dec 20, 2006, at 11:49 AM
Original Author(s): Reuters
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From Jewish Scene:
Nazi hunter's name taken off list after receiving complaint from Simon Wiesenthal Center

In life, Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal was among the most famous Jews of the 20th century. In death, he wound up on a list of people eligible to be posthumously baptized as Mormons so they could enter heaven.

Bowing to protests from Jewish groups, The Church of Latter Day Saints said on Tuesday that it had removed Wiesenthal's name from its International Genealogical Index, a database of names of people who be could be baptized after death.

A church spokesman said the Nazi hunter's name was taken off the list after receiving a complaint from the Simon Wiesenthal Centre, a Jewish human rights group named in his honor.

'I don't think he needs help getting into heaven'

Rabbi Marvin Heir, the dean and founder of the group, said, "From their point of view they thought they were doing him a favor by making sure he can get into heaven. For us, it is very offensive. Simon Wiesenthal dedicated his whole life to Jews. I don't think he needs help getting into heaven."

In 1995, after the Wiesenthal Center learnt that the church was baptizing Holocaust victims posthumously, the church agreed to stop the practice and removed 400,000 names from the index.

Mormon Church spokesman Bruce Olsen said Wiesenthal was off the list. He also said it is policy "that members submit only names of their own ancestors for vicarious baptisms" and that the 1995 agreement was still in force.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,73...
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Will Pope Benedict Become A Mormon After He Dies?
Monday, Feb 5, 2007, at 10:57 AM
Original Author(s): Tom Heneghan
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From REUTERS:
PARIS (Reuters) - Pope Benedict was baptized at birth and will most likely be baptized again one year after his death, not by his Roman Catholic Church but by a Mormon he never met.

The Mormons, a U.S.-based denomination officially named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), encourage members to baptize the dead by proxy in the belief they are helping the deceased attain full access to heaven.

Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Genghis Khan, Mao Zedong, King Herod, Al Capone and Mickey Mouse have all appeared for a short time in the International Genealogical Index for proxy baptisms, said Helen Radkey, a researcher specialized in the IGI.

So Benedict looks set to join his predecessor John Paul and a centuries-long list of popes Mormons have baptized -- despite the fact that he, back when he was the Vatican's top doctrinal authority, ruled that Mormon baptisms were not even Christian.

Pope Pius XII was baptized three times and also "sealed" in eternal marriage to a fictional Mrs Eugenio Pacelli. Saint Ignatius Loyola, founder of the Jesuit order of priests, was also "sealed" to a bogus wife. Catholic clergy do not marry.
http://www.reuters.com/article/inDept...
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Has Carl Sagan Been Dead Dunked?
Wednesday, Mar 21, 2007, at 08:12 AM
Original Author(s): Sam
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
He's been done.

Here are his LDS Ordinances:
Baptism: Completed
Baptism: 13 MAR 1998 PROVO
Endowment: Completed
Endowment: 10 JUL 1998 PROVO
Whenever they're in the IGI, that means at least one ordinance has been performed.
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Mormon Baptism Of The Dead Is Insulting: Not Only To Jews, But To Everyone Except Mormons
Thursday, Jan 24, 2008, at 08:12 AM
Original Author(s): Emach
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
For an excellent chronicle of the controversy see http://www.jewishgen.org/InfoFiles/ld.... It details how mormons agreed to stop baptising Jews in 1995, but continued to do so, and probably still do. This letter explains the problems:
January 11, 2004
Deseret Morning News
By Gary Mokotoff [Excerpts]
Posthumous baptism is a terrible insult to Jews

What could be more inappropriate than baptizing a Holocaust victim; a person who died for only one reason – he was a Jew. Yet Mordechai Anielowicz, the leader of the Warsaw ghetto rebellion, was posthumously baptized into the Mormon faith. He is not an isolated incident. Hundreds of thousands of Holocaust victims – men, women, children and babies – have been baptized. Is it the thought that Holocaust victims can be comforted in their afterlife by accepting the Mormon religion?

Some of my Mormon friends have told me the ritual is an act of love. While this may be true, something that is intended as an act of love that causes the receiver pain becomes an act of cruelty.

The bottom line is that no person has a right to involve someone else's family in their religion. As I have told many of my Mormon friends, to many Jews – including myself – "baptize" is the second ugliest word in the English language. The ugliest word is "gassed." The third ugliest word is "raped."

To many Jews, "baptized" has a greater emotional reaction because to them – and me – to posthumously baptize a Jew is to rape his soul.
YES. Exactly

AND then you have the Spin from Hinkley:

Church President Gordon B. Hinckley has said the baptismal rite is only an offer of membership that can be rejected in the afterlife by individuals.

"So, there's no injury done to anybody," Hinckley told the AP in an interview last November. May 26, 2006 Associated Press, by Jennifer Dobner

The Hinkster just doesn't get it. Great jewish religious and political leader just aren't good enough on their own without mormonism's magic spells.

Hinkley, again, lied to the media. Ordinances for the dead are much more than just an "offer of membership." We all know the proxy is actually performing the rite on behalf of the deceased person. It's not just an offer, it is a desecration of the name and the person's life. It's saying, "we know what you need, your life wasn't good enough without this."

Other groups should be offended by this as well. Mormons have probably baptized Martin Luther King, Jr. and done his "temple work." Maybe they did it yesterday.

What other lives are they discounting and trivializing by making mormon? Who else wasn't good enough without the mormon stamp of approval? I'm embarrassed to have participated in this nonsense.
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Vatican Letter Directs Bishops To Keep Parish Records From Mormons
Friday, May 2, 2008, at 11:58 AM
Original Author(s): Chaz Muth
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
From Catholic News Service:
WASHINGTON (CNS) -- In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah.

An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by Catholic News Service in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers.

"This dicastery is bringing this matter to the attention of the various conferences of bishops," the letter reads. "The congregation requests that the conference notifies each diocesan bishop in order to ensure that such a detrimental practice is not permitted in his territory, due to the confidentiality of the faithful and so as not to cooperate with the erroneous practices of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

Mormons have been criticized by several other faiths -- perhaps most passionately by the Jews -- for the church's practice of posthumous baptism.
http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stor...
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Holocaust Survivors To Mormons: Stop Baptisms Of Dead Jews
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008, at 10:22 AM
Original Author(s): Cnn
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
Here we go again. The Mormon Church stated in 1995 that they would stop baptizing Jewish people, but they have started doing it again.

From CNN:
Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.

Leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are making changes to their massive genealogical database that will make it more difficult for names of Holocaust victims to be entered for posthumous baptism by proxy, a rite that has been a common Mormon practice for more than a century.

But Ernest Michel, honorary chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors, said that is not enough. At a news conference in New York City on Monday, he said the church also must "implement a mechanism to undo what you have done."

"Baptism of a Jewish Holocaust victim and then merely removing that name from the database is just not acceptable," said Michel, whose parents died at Auschwitz. He spoke on the 70th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Nazi-incited riots against Jews.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/11/bapt...
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For The Few Who Don't Know: Mormons Dead-Dunk Every Name They Can Find
Tuesday, Nov 11, 2008, at 12:24 PM
Original Author(s): Cheryl
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
They do not limit their dunkings to known mormon loved ones.

They've dead-dunked most known Native American tribal chiefs.

They've dead-dunked every entry they could find in every encyclopedia.

They've dead-dunked names they have gleaned from tombstones, from obituaries, from old city hall records, from English Church Christening logs, from immigration entry records, and from my parents' geneology records.

It makes zero difference to mormons if these dead people left specific instructions that they did NOT want their names used in mormon temple rites.

The mormon church has even paid cash for names to Russian museums. This, much to the consternation of officials in the Russian Orthodox Church.

I think it's insulting that they dunk Holocaust victims and Nazis in the same rites.

But I'll be blunt about it. I think it's also insulting that they plan to dunk ME.

To the mormons who discount what the dead requested in life, here's what I say. Spit on their mormon graves, cremate them or bury them in clown suits, not temple garb. Or give those dead mormons a Catholic mass. Also, I say, donate their money to abortion clinics and not to BYU or missionary funds. Afterall, when the mormons are dead, none of their wishes while living should still count. Right?

Seriously, I am among those who think it's appropriate to honor the wishes after death of those who cared enough to leave burial instructions and such from when they were alive.
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I'm In A Snit Again About Dead-Dunking
Wednesday, Apr 22, 2009, at 07:39 AM
Original Author(s): Cheryl
Topic: BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1   -Guid-
What did it was the thread about the clueless and hurtful TBM grandparents who dead-dunked a tragically lost grandson. They did it DESPITE knowing he had opposed the idea as does his surviving wife and both of his parents.

That angers me! How hurtful to his close surviving loved ones! And how disrespectful of his good name, his beliefs, and his memory!

I know, I know, I know! Morgbots say we have to get over it! After all, if we don't believe in it, what does it matter?

Well, it happens to matter to me!

Saying it doesn't matter just grinds salt into a gaping wound!

If what we do with dead names doesn't matter, then mormons should not have cared when I said I'd like to bury Gordie Hinckle-Binkle in a Bozo the Clown suit and dump a colony of cockroaches into his casket before sinking it beneath a two holer outhouse. None of that is real, but TBMs went crazy when I said something ever so much less graphic after Gordon died.

Yet, those dumb clucks tell me *I* have NO right to be unapprecitive of mormon efforts to desecrate me and my memory as soon as I leave this earth! Not to mention the memories of my nevermo husband, children, and grandchildren!

The gall! After spending a lifetime escaping that cult and trying to recover from it and protect my nevermo family from it!

I don't need to hear about their silly rules of waiting a year or getting permission. Those stipulations are ever changing and seldom followed or enforced.

Mormons can't agree on the WofW or if they have to tithe on net or gross. Those are commandments needed for a TR and required of God!

Dead dunking rules are on par with customs about who gets to hand out programs on Sunday or which Sunbeam tot gets to pray to start the class.

There are no consequences, temporal or eternal, for overlooking a dead-dunking rule. Most mormons don't know there are such rules, or they'd stop turning in names of newly dead movie stars and names from yesterday's obits.

Yep, I'm mad and I care ZERO that mormons "mean well" (gag) or think I have no right to care about what they do with my name when I'm dead.
 
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5,403 Articles In 369 Topics
TopicImage TOPIC INDEX (369 Topics)
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  · ADAM GOD DOCTRINE (4)
  · APOLOGISTS - SECTION 1 (25)
  · APOLOGISTS - SECTION 2 (25)
  · ARTICLES OF FAITH (1)
  · BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - PEOPLE (14)
  · BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 1 (18)
  · BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD - SECTION 2 (14)
  · BLACKS AND MORMONISM (12)
  · BLACKS AND THE PRIESTHOOD (9)
  · BLOOD ATONEMENT (3)
  · BOB BENNETT (1)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 1 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 2 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 3 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 4 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 5 (25)
  · BOB MCCUE - SECTION 6 (19)
  · BONNEVILLE COMMUNICATIONS (2)
  · BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 1 (24)
  · BOOK OF ABRAHAM - SECTION 2 (23)
  · BOOK OF MORMON - SECTION 1 (25)
  · BOOK OF MORMON - SECTION 2 (25)
  · BOOK OF MORMON - SECTION 3 (15)
  · BOOK OF MORMON EVIDENCES (18)
  · BOOK OF MORMON GEOGRAPHY (24)
  · BOOK OF MORMON WITNESSES (5)
  · BOOK REVIEW - ROUGH STONE ROLLING (28)
  · BOOKS - AUTHORS AND DESCRIPTIONS (12)
  · BOOKS - COMMENTS AND REVIEWS - SECTION 1 (26)
  · BOOKS - COMMENTS AND REVIEWS - SECTION 2 (15)
  · BOY SCOUTS (19)
  · BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 1 (21)
  · BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 2 (9)
  · BRIGHAM YOUNG (24)
  · BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY - SECTION 1 (25)
  · BRIGHAM YOUNG UNIVERSITY - SECTION 2 (28)
  · BRUCE C. HAFEN (4)
  · BRUCE D. PORTER (1)
  · BRUCE R. MCCONKIE (7)
  · CALLINGS (11)
  · CATHOLIC CHURCH (5)
  · CHANGING DOCTRINE (11)
  · CHILDREN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (24)
  · CHILDREN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2 (23)
  · CHRIS BUTTARS (1)
  · CHURCH LEADERSHIP (3)
  · CHURCH PROPAGANDA - SECTION 1 (5)
  · CHURCH PUBLISHED MAGAZINES - SECTION 1 (25)
  · CHURCH PUBLISHED MAGAZINES - SECTION 2 (24)
  · CHURCH TEACHING MANUALS (10)
  · CHURCH VAULTS (4)
  · CITY CREEK CENTER (23)
  · CIVIL UNIONS (12)
  · CLEON SKOUSEN (2)
  · COGNITIVE DISSONANCE (2)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 1 (24)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 2 (21)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 3 (24)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 4 (22)
  · COMEDY - SECTION 5 (35)
  · CONCISE DICTIONARY OF MORMONISM (14)
  · D. MICHAEL QUINN (1)
  · D. TODD CHRISTOFFERSON (3)
  · DALLIN H. OAKS - SECTION 1 (19)
  · DALLIN H. OAKS - SECTION 2 (18)
  · DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 1 (22)
  · DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 2 (24)
  · DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3 (30)
  · DANITES (4)
  · DAVID A. BEDNAR (15)
  · DAVID O. MCKAY (6)
  · DAVID R. STONE (1)
  · DAVID WHITMER (1)
  · DELBERT L. STAPLEY (1)
  · DESERET NEWS (2)
  · DIETER F. UCHTDORF (8)
  · DNA (23)
  · DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS (8)
  · DON JESSE (2)
  · ELAINE S. DALTON (5)
  · EMMA SMITH (4)
  · ENSIGN PEAK (1)
  · EX-MORMON FOUNDATION (33)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 1 (35)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 10 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 11 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 12 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 13 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 14 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 15 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 16 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 17 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 18 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 19 (26)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 2 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 20 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 21 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 22 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 23 (28)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 3 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 4 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 5 (23)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 6 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 7 (25)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 8 (24)
  · EX-MORMON OPINION - SECTION 9 (26)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 1 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 10 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 11 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 12 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 13 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 14 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 15 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 16 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 17 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 18 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 19 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 2 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 20 (24)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 21 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 22 (24)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 23 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 24 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 25 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 26 (52)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 3 (21)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 4 (22)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 5 (24)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 6 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 7 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 8 (25)
  · EX-MORMONISM SECTION 9 (26)
  · EXCOMMUNICATION AND COURTS OF LOVE (19)
  · EZRA TAFT BENSON - SECTION 1 (7)
  · EZRA TAFT BENSON - SECTION 2 (2)
  · FACIAL HAIR (6)
  · FAIR / MADD - APOLOGETICS - SECTION 1 (25)
  · FAIR / MADD - APOLOGETICS - SECTION 2 (24)
  · FAIR / MADD - APOLOGETICS - SECTION 3 (19)
  · FAITH PROMOTING RUMORS (11)
  · FARMS (28)
  · FIRST VISION - SECTION 1 (18)
  · FIRST VISION - SECTION 2 (3)
  · FOOD STORAGE (3)
  · FUNDAMENTALIST LDS (7)
  · GENERAL AUTHORITIES (27)
  · GENERAL CONFERENCE (12)
  · GENERAL NEWS (5)
  · GEORGE P. LEE (1)
  · GORDON B. HINCKLEY - SECTION 1 (23)
  · GORDON B. HINCKLEY - SECTION 2 (20)
  · GORDON B. HINCKLEY - SECTION 3 (22)
  · GRANT PALMER (8)
  · GREGORY L. SMITH (9)
  · GUNNISON MASSACRE (1)
  · H. DAVID BURTON (2)
  · HAROLD B. LEE (1)
  · HATE MAIL I RECEIVE (23)
  · HAUNS MILL (2)
  · HBO BIG LOVE (12)
  · HEBER C. KIMBALL (4)
  · HELEN RADKEY (17)
  · HELLEN MAR KIMBALL (4)
  · HENRY B. EYRING (5)
  · HOLIDAYS (12)
  · HOME AND VISITING TEACHING (9)
  · HOWARD W. HUNTER (1)
  · HUGH NIBLEY (11)
  · HYMNS (7)
  · INTERVIEWS IN MORMONISM (15)
  · JAMES E. FAUST (7)
  · JEFF LINDSAY (6)
  · JEFFREY MELDRUM (1)
  · JEFFREY R. HOLLAND (30)
  · JEFFREY S. NIELSEN (11)
  · JOHN GEE (1)
  · JOHN L. LUND (3)
  · JOHN L. SORENSON (3)
  · JOHN TAYLOR (1)
  · JOSEPH B. WIRTHLIN (1)
  · JOSEPH F. SMITH (1)
  · JOSEPH FIELDING SMITH (6)
  · JOSEPH SITATI (1)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY - SECTION 1 (21)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - POLYGAMY - SECTION 2 (21)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - PROPHECY (8)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 1 (25)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 2 (23)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 3 (22)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SECTION 4 (30)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - SEER STONES (7)
  · JOSEPH SMITH - WORSHIP (13)
  · JUDAISM (3)
  · JULIE B. BECK (6)
  · KEITH B. MCMULLIN (1)
  · KERRY MUHLESTEIN (8)
  · KERRY SHIRTS (6)
  · KINDERHOOK PLATES (6)
  · KIRTLAND BANK (6)
  · KIRTLAND EGYPTIAN PAPERS (17)
  · L. TOM PERRY (4)
  · LAMANITE PLACEMENT PROGRAM (3)
  · LAMANITES - SECTION 1 (34)
  · LANCE B. WICKMAN (1)
  · LARRY ECHO HAWK (1)
  · LDS CHURCH - SECTION 1 (18)
  · LDS CHURCH OFFICE BUILDING (9)
  · LDS SOCIAL SERVICES (3)
  · LGBT - AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (39)
  · LORENZO SNOW (1)
  · LOUIS C. MIDGLEY (5)
  · LYNN A. MICKELSEN (2)
  · LYNN G. ROBBINS (1)
  · M. RUSSELL BALLARD (11)
  · MARK E. PETERSON (6)
  · MARK HOFFMAN (12)
  · MARLIN JENSEN (3)
  · MARRIOTT (2)
  · MARTIN HARRIS (4)
  · MASONS (16)
  · MELCHIZEDEK/AARONIC PRIESTHOOD (8)
  · MERRILL J. BATEMAN (2)
  · MICHAEL R. ASH - SECTION 1 (23)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 3 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 4 (25)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 5 (17)
  · MISSIONARIES - SECTION 6 (16)
  · MITT ROMNEY - SECTION 1 (24)
  · MITT ROMNEY - SECTION 2 (21)
  · MITT ROMNEY - SECTION 3 (18)
  · MORE GOOD FOUNDATION (1)
  · MORMON CELEBRITIES (14)
  · MORMON CHURCH HISTORY (8)
  · MORMON CHURCH PR (13)
  · MORMON CLASSES (1)
  · MORMON DOCTRINE (33)
  · MORMON FUNERALS (12)
  · MORMON GARMENTS - SECTION 1 (20)
  · MORMON HANDCARTS (10)
  · MORMON INTERPRETER (2)
  · MORMON MARRIAGE EXCLUSIONS (1)
  · MORMON MEMBERSHIP (38)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MORMON MONEY - SECTION 3 (18)
  · MORMON NEWSROOM (5)
  · MORMON POLITICAL ISSUES (5)
  · MORMON RACISM (18)
  · MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONIES (38)
  · MORMON TEMPLE CHANGES (15)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 1 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 2 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 3 (25)
  · MORMON TEMPLES - SECTION 4 (38)
  · MORMON VISITOR CENTERS (9)
  · MORMON WARDS AND STAKE CENTERS (1)
  · MORMONS IN THE UNITED KINGDOM (0)
  · MORMONTHINK (14)
  · MOUNTAIN MEADOWS MASSACRE (20)
  · MURPHY TRANSCRIPT (1)
  · NATALIE R. COLLINS (11)
  · NAUVOO (3)
  · NAUVOO EXPOSITOR (1)
  · NEAL A. MAXWELL - SECTION 1 (1)
  · NEAL A. MAXWELL INSTITUTE (1)
  · NEIL L. ANDERSEN - SECTION 1 (3)
  · OBEDIENCE - PAY, PRAY, OBEY (15)
  · OBJECT LESSONS (14)
  · OLIVER COWDREY (6)
  · ORRIN HATCH (5)
  · PARLEY P. PRATT (11)
  · PATRIARCHAL BLESSING (5)
  · PAUL H. DUNN (5)
  · PBS DOCUMENTARY THE MORMONS (17)
  · PERSECUTION (9)
  · PIONEER DAY (3)
  · PLAN OF SALVATION (4)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 1 (26)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 2 (24)
  · POLYGAMY - SECTION 3 (15)
  · PRIESTHOOD BLESSINGS (1)
  · PRIMARY (1)
  · PROCLAMATIONS (1)
  · PROPOSITION 8 (20)
  · PROPOSITION 8 COMMENTS (11)
  · QUENTIN L. COOK (10)
  · RELIEF SOCIETY (14)
  · RESIGNATION PROCESS (24)
  · RICHARD G. HINCKLEY (2)
  · RICHARD G. SCOTT (7)
  · RICHARD LYMAN BUSHMAN (11)
  · RICHARD TURLEY (1)
  · ROBERT D. HALES (5)
  · ROBERT L. MILLET (6)
  · RODNEY L. MELDRUM (12)
  · ROYAL SKOUSEN (2)
  · RUNTU'S RINCON (73)
  · RUSSELL M. NELSON (13)
  · SACRAMENT MEETING (11)
  · SALT LAKE TRIBUNE (1)
  · SCOTT D. WHITING (1)
  · SCOTT GORDON (4)
  · SEMINARY (5)
  · SERVICE AND CHARITY (25)
  · SHERI L. DEW (1)
  · SHIELDS RESEARCH - MORMON APOLOGETICS (4)
  · SIDNEY RIGDON (7)
  · SIMON SOUTHERTON (32)
  · SPALDING MANUSCRIPT (6)
  · SPENCER W. KIMBALL (10)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 1 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 10 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 11 (27)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 12 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 13 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 14 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 15 (11)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 2 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 3 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 4 (26)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 5 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 6 (26)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 7 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 8 (25)
  · STEVE BENSON - SECTION 9 (25)
  · STORIES - SECTION 1 (1)
  · SUNSTONE FOUNDATION (2)
  · SURVEILLANCE (SCMC) (11)
  · TAD R. CALLISTER (1)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 1 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 2 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 3 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 4 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 5 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 6 (25)
  · TAL BACHMAN - SECTION 7 (7)
  · TALKS - SECTION 1 (1)
  · TEMPLE WEDDINGS (6)
  · TEMPLES - NAMES (1)
  · THE PEARL OF GREAT PRICE (1)
  · THE SINGLE WARDS (3)
  · THOMAS S. MONSON - SECTION 1 (29)
  · TIME (4)
  · TITHING - SECTION 1 (25)
  · TITHING - SECTION 2 (25)
  · TITHING - SECTION 3 (7)
  · UGO PEREGO (3)
  · UNNANOUNCED, UNINVITED AND UNWELCOME (35)
  · UTAH LIGHTHOUSE MINISTRY (3)
  · VALERIE HUDSON (3)
  · VAN HALE (16)
  · VAUGHN J. FEATHERSTONE (1)
  · VIDEOS (30)
  · WARD CLEANING (3)
  · WARREN SNOW (1)
  · WELFARE - SECTION 1 (0)
  · WENDY L. WATSON (4)
  · WHITE AND DELIGHTSOME (11)
  · WILFORD WOODRUFF (6)
  · WILLIAM HAMBLIN (8)
  · WILLIAM LAW (1)
  · WILLIAM SCHRYVER (5)
  · WILLIAM WINES PHELPS (3)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 1 (24)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 2 (25)
  · WOMEN AND MORMONISM - SECTION 3 (35)
  · WORD OF WISDOM (7)
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