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Daniel C. Peterson, Mormon Apologist and Mormon Secret Service Agent (SCMC). Daniel is the leading Apologist for the Mormon owned and operated "Neal Maxwell Institute", also known as "Foundation For Ancient Research And Mormon Studies" or FARMS.
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Daniel C. Peterson To Testify In Elizabeth Smart Case
Wednesday, Sep 30, 2009, at 08:39 AM
Original Author(s): Infymus
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
From: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid;=81110...
Dr. Daniel Peterson is a BYU Professor of Islamic Studies and an expert on the analysis of scripture. Prosecutors say he "will speak to the coherency of Mitchell's writings." Peterson told us by phone he will testify about whether Mitchell wrote his scripture in an "ecstatic" mental state or whether the writings are "the product of a deliberate, cool mind."

Peterson did not reveal his conclusions to us, and prosecutors barred interviews.

In a motion opposing the testimony, Mitchell's defense team said, "Whether other fringe groups or individuals share similar delusions as Mr. Mitchell's is irrelevant."
Daniel C. Peterson, Mormon Apologist and Mormon Secret Service Agent (SCMC). Daniel is the leading Apologist for the Mormon owned and operated "Neal Maxwell Institute", also known as "Foundation For Ancient Research And Mormon Studies" or FARMS.
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Daniel Peterson Made Me What I Am Today
Friday, Oct 22, 2010, at 08:49 AM
Original Author(s): Jod3:360
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
It was him saying on PBS that Joseph Smith used a stone in a hat to translate the Book of Mormon. I was taught all my life that that was an antimormon lie, and as far as I was concerned the second most evil anti mormon lie of all time.

It was his words that caused me to google seerstones.

It was the result of googling seerstones that for the first time in my life I had to seriously consider that the church was not true.

So, thanks Daniel C. Peterson! Until that day, I knew without a doubt that the church was absolutely true.
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A Cat In A Hat? Nope, A Rock In A Chat
Monday, Oct 25, 2010, at 07:42 AM
Original Author(s): Mahonri
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Welcome to Mormon.org chat.
A missionary will be with you shortly.
Agent [July] is ready to assist you.
Agent [Diana] has joined the chat.

Me: July. Is that boy or girl?
Diana: hola
Diana: We are sister missionaries.
July: girl
Me: Hi, OK, two girls.
Diana: Yes
Diana: How are you today?
Me: A question on the book of mormon after reading about it. OK? (and reading some of it too)
Diana: OK
Me: I was told of translating it with a urim and thummim an that is what was used.
Me: Is that how it was done?
Diana: Yes through revelation and the power of God
Diana: ANd tell us how do you get the Book of Mormon?
Me: Joseph smith stuff says this urim and thummum but I heard a PBS show of a Bishop Peterson that said he used a stone in a hat. Black Magic? Which is right?
Me: Got the book from a friend.
Me: Mr Peterson is a mormon Bishop which I guess is pretty high up. So I listened and he said that is how it was done.
Diana: Good Is he a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
Me: His story and the Joseph Smith stuff are way different.
Me: He teaches at BYU and is a mormon bishop.
Diana: You know what there are many dofferent stories about it but what is relly important is that the Book is another testament of Jesus Christ
Me: From what I saw a fat guy with glasses.
Me: Which story is the truth?
Me: Is this really black magic with peepstones and stuff like that?
Diana: David we as missionaries teach the basic beleives of the church
Diana: We invite people to come unto Christ
Me: Isn't joseph smiths story and how he did this a basic belief?
Diana: We can teach you more about it
Diana: acctually there are missionaries they can visit you and teach you more
Me: If he did not do it like he said how can any of it be true? You don't lie and expect people to believe you are telling the truth. How did he translate this stuff?
Me: Is this Bishop peterson right? Was it with magic rocks in a hat?
Diana: David something is really helpful when we read the scriptures
Diana: is to pray
Me: Or a rock?
Diana: Have you ever prayed
Diana: ?
Me: Forget praying for a minute. Is the rock in a hat real or not?
Diana: We can not forget the basics
Me: It is history, is that how it happened?
Diana: that is what help us too understand
Me: You don't know, is that it?
Me: How much more basic can you get than how this was done?
Diana: We told you at the begining
Diana: throug the power of God
Diana: Do you want us to send this missionaries to your home?
Me: Diana, you are not reading my question. Did this book get done with the urim and thummim or with a magic rock in a hat like this bYU gu says?
Me: If you can't answer the question why would I want missionaries to visit?
Diana: With the urim and tummim
Diana: The Book of Mormon explain that at the very begining
Diana: Before the introduction
Diana: So probably you want to read the Book from the begining
Me: If it was with the urim and thummim(UM?), why does this Bishop and others say it was with a magic rock in a hat?
Me: He is obviously a mormon authority being on PBS and all. Why is his story different?
Diana: Well we dont know David people said different things
Diana: but you can find out the trith by your self
Diana: but you need an open heart and mind
Diana: We recomend you to keep reading and pray
Diana: But have a wonderful day
Me: I am finding out the truth by myself. Your church magazine even says a rock in a hat. So does oliver cowdery.
Me: A google search turns up a lot on it.
Me: Why isn't the mormon book accurate?
Diana: Just ask God
Me: Ask God, in a matter of history?
Diana: he has the wisdom you need
Diana: He knows everything
Me: You don't really know how it was done, is that it?
July:1 Nephi 11: 17 And I said unto him: I know that he loveth his children; nevertheless, I do not know the meaning of all things.

Me: Joseph Smith would put the seer stone into a hat, and put his face in the hat, drawing it closely around his face to exclude the light; and in the darkness the spiritual light would shine. A piece of something resembling parchment would appear, and on that appeared the writing. One character at a time would appear, and under it was the interpretation in English. Brother Joseph would read off the English to Oliver Cowdery, who was his principal scribe, and when it was written down and repeated to Brother Joseph to see if it was correct, then it would disappear, and another character with the interpretation would appear. Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man."David Whitmer, An Address to All Believers in Christ, Richmond, Mo.: n.p., 1887, p. 12.

Me: A David Whitmer who wrote for Joseph Smith says it was a rock in a hat. Black Magic comes from the Devil. Your belief is that this is from
Diana: You are right: " Thus the Book of Mormon was translated by the gift and power of God, and not by any power of man"
Me: God? using magic?
Me: I think someone here is mistaking the devil for God. I don't think it is me.
Diana: OK David have a good day
Agent [Diana] has left the chat.
The chat session has ended.
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Daniel C. Peterson's Fluff Piece
Tuesday, Dec 7, 2010, at 07:13 AM
Original Author(s): Kevin Graham
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
The three witnesses and the reality of the Book of Mormon

Serious critics of the Book of Mormon must neutralize the testimonies of the witnesses to the golden plates.

This, however, is not easy. (It may be impossible.) Largely thanks to the meticulous research of Professor Richard Lloyd Anderson, we know a great deal about them and about the six decades, both when they were dedicated followers of Joseph Smith and after they had been alienated from him and his church for many years, during which they testified to the Book of Mormon. For a very long time, those seeking to discredit their testimony accused them of insanity, or of having conspired to commit fraud. In the light of Professor Anderson's work, however, neither accusation can be sustained. They were plainly sane, honest, reputable men.

Recently, the preferred method of disposing of the witnesses has been to suggest – quite falsely – that they never claimed to have literally seen or touched anything at all, or to insinuate that they were primitive and superstitious fanatics who, unlike us sophisticated moderns, could scarcely distinguish reality from fantasy. Honest, but misguided.

It seems implausible, though, to assume that the witnesses, early nineteenth-century farmers who spent their lives rising at sunrise, pulling up stumps, clearing rocks, plowing fields, sowing seeds, carefully nurturing crops, herding livestock, milking cows, digging wells, building cabins, raising barns, harvesting food, bartering (in an often cashless economy) for what they could not produce themselves, wearing clothes made from plant fibers and skins, anxiously watching the seasons, and walking or riding animals out under the weather until they retired to their beds shortly after sunset in "a world lit only by fire," were estranged from everyday reality.

It's especially unbelievable when the claim is made by people whose lives, like mine, consist to a large extent of staring at digital screens in artificially air-conditioned and artificially lit homes and offices, clothed in synthetic fibers, commuting between the two in enclosed and air-conditioned mechanical vehicles while they listen to the radio, chat on their cell phones, and fiddle with their iPods (whose inner workings are largely mysterious to them), who buy their prepackaged food (with little or no regard for the time or the season) by means of plastic cards and electronic financial transfers from artificially illuminated and air-conditioned supermarkets enmeshed in international distribution networks of which they know virtually nothing, the rhythms of whose daily lives are largely unaffected by the rising and setting of the sun. Somehow, the current generation seems ill-positioned to accuse the witnesses' generation of being out of touch with reality.

I suppose that "hallucination" might strike a skeptic as an attractive way to defang the testimony of the three witnesses, with its divine voice and its angelophany and its clearly visionary flavor. But the experience of the eight witnesses is very different, and entirely matter-of-fact. Hallucination doesn't seem to account for it well at all.

On the other hand, if it weren't for the spectacularly supernatural character of the experience of the three witnesses, a desperate skeptic might be able to dismiss the whole thing as the product, merely, of crude deception. Perhaps Joseph Smith or some other brawny frontier blacksmith (Oliver Cowdery, perhaps?) forged golden stage props with which to fool the yokels. After all, the two tiny sets of inscribed metal plates that James Jesse Strang, would-be successor to Joseph Smith, "found" in Wisconsin and Michigan between 1845 and 1849 and subsequently "translated" certainly existed, and were almost certainly frauds. (One of Strang's witnesses later testified to having helped manufacture them.) But Strang summoned no angels for public viewing, and no voice of God endorsed his "Book of the Law of the Lord."

Even Latter-day Saints may not appreciate the strength of the witness testimonies. Fortunately, though, Professor Anderson, trained in both legal reasoning at Harvard Law School and historical method through a doctorate at Berkeley, has devoted a lifetime to demonstrating the solidity of the evidence they provide. In his classic volume "Investigating the Book of Mormon Witnesses" – described by one of my BYU colleagues, not unreasonably, as "next to the scriptures themselves, the most faith-promoting book (he had) ever read" – and in later studies (two of which are available on the website of Brigham Young University's Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship), he has set out a deeply impressive case. I earnestly commend his work to those unfamiliar with it.
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Mormon Apologetic And Discussion Allegedly Board Wiped Thousands Of Dr. Peterson's Messages From The Board
Tuesday, Dec 14, 2010, at 08:11 AM
Original Author(s): Infymus
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
So the owners of MAD swept away Dr. Peterson's history there eh? Or much of it? What's the matter Dr. Peterson, are you embarrassed by the blowhard things you have written?

How convenient of you to have your history wiped. Why should I be surprised anyway, this is how Mormons operate - and how the Mormon Church operates. Hide history. Lock things in vaults. Buy and destroy journals from Mormon pioneers that would be embarrassing today. Funnel money into the hands of members to buy embarrassing documents and have those members donate them to the Church - and into the granite vault they go, never again to see the light of day.

In in a few years, everyone associated with and Dr. Peterson himself will have plausible deniability. He wasn't speaking as a man - because his words will have been swept away. Dr. Peterson has been re baptized in the apologetic world. It is too bad that he can't clean up the rest of the Internet where he has posted his tripe, arrogant works.

I will continue to be critical of Dr. Peterson's apologetic works. As long as he continues to produce apologetic works for the Mormon Church, I will continue to vigorously document his movements in apologetics.

Why? Because Dr. Peterson continues to defend the Cult of Mormonism - and to deceive not only members but non-members - in order to continue the flow of money into the corporate coffers. As long as he continues to try and keep Mormons in the dark about the real history of the church - then he needs to be exposed, and exposed he will be.

I'm not afraid of Dr. Peterson at all. Just because he raises his arm to the square and threatens everyone with litigation means nothing.

Who is Dr. Peterson?

Is a Mormon Apologist that works at BYU as a professor.

Works for, writes for, or is associated with for the Neil Maxwell Institute (formerly FARMS).

Is paid directly or indirectly by the LDS Church to publish Mormon apologetic works, and even if he isn't paid, the LDS Church looks the other way while Dr. Peterson posts tens of thousands of messages on forums as a Mormon Apologist - while being employed as a professor at BYU.

Is an admitted agent for the SCMC (past, unknown if current).

Has written articles for both FAIR and NWI (formerly FARMS).

Posts an incalculable amount of messages on Internet Forums, including MAD, MDB, and various other websites (including but not limited to blogs and online news agency comment sections). Please note that as of December, 2010 - the Mormon Apologetic And Discussion board wiped thousands of Dr. Peterson's messages from the board - although both MAD and Dr. Peterson deny this.

Dr. Peterson writes:
The charge is both deeply serious and absolutely false. I had nothing to do with the shutting down of MADB. I don't know what occasioned it, and have had no input on it
He has made himself a public figure.

He has placed himself and his works into the public where it can be read by anyone.

He has written articles defending the LDS Church on open public forums.

He has openly attacked critics of the LDS Church on open public forums.

He has attacked critics of the LDS Church in private emails, and then had those emails published on Mormon Apologetic Sites (see SHIELDS). Those private emails have caused prospective employer rejections which have resulted in loss of income.

Is any of this slander? No, it is absolute fact.

So, when critics of the LDS Church are critical of Dr. Peterson and his writings, Dr. Peterson cries foul and that his good name is being slandered - and threatens not only to take down websites, but go after everyone that posts on them.

Again, Dr. Peterson writes:
I will go after the board, and I will go after each and every one of those who have publicly slandered me in this matter to the extent that the law allows. Enough is enough.
Bring it Dr. Peterson. Keep posting on the Internet. Keep publishing apologetic articles. I will always be watching you. You haven't got a case.
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Daniel Peterson, Director Of Outreach For The Maxwell Institute, Returns To The Forums
Friday, Dec 17, 2010, at 07:21 AM
Original Author(s): Infymus
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Dr. Peterson is back to posting on MAD.
First of all, I would like to confirm all of the rumors that have been circulated over at the Great and Spacious Trailer Park© (Mormon Discussions) and elsewhere in the fever swamps during the past few weeks:

Yes, I was indeed directed to go silent by the Packer Faction. The orders were transmitted through the new radioisotope-powered XL-480 device implanted at the base of my skull. (Eat your hearts out, fellow special operatives!) Yes, I really engaged in an unethical and probably illegal effort to illicitly undermine the defense in a prominent federal criminal trial. My shameless corruption and depravity are boundless. Yes, thousands upon thousands of my despicable and incriminating posts here were deleted by order of the First Presidency and/or a federal judge and/or my wife and/or Manny, Mo, and Curley Joe. Yes, I’m being silenced by the Brethren because they’re embarrassed at my antics and disapprove of me. Yes, I’m being silenced by the Brethren because they’re about to call me as a General Authority. And, yes, I was abducted by lesbian neo-Nazi biker chicks recently landed from the planet Zarkon.

But I’m baack. Sort of. It simply seems to me that the ability to announce new publications, symposia, firesides, and that sort of thing on a free public message board is too useful to surrender. Particularly in view of my role as Director of Outreach for the Maxwell Institute. So I’m intending to use this forum occasionally in order to make such announcements. (We'll see whether anybody actually reads this "Pundit" forum.)
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/topi...

I've got to admit, this did make me chuckle.
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Dan Peterson's Advice: "Put It On The Shelf"
Wednesday, Mar 2, 2011, at 07:50 AM
Original Author(s): Kevin Graham
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
These are from the notes from his fireside:
Question: I’m LDS, but have pretty much lost my testimony over contradictions between the Church’s “tightly-correlated data points” and history. I continue to go to church because of a bishopric member I can talk to about these issues. In the past, my bishop was a nice guy, but completely ill-equipped to discuss or deal with these things. I’ve tried FAIR, MADB, etc., but nothing really helps much. My question is: what is the Church doing to improve this state of things, and are things getting better in this regard?

Answer: I can empathize with you. When I was younger, I was thrown for a loop over an alleged denial of Oliver Cowdery’s testimony in a pamphlet printed in Tiffin, Ohio. I couldn’t find anybody who could talk about it, and it seemed that there was no effective response. With the passage of time, this was completely discredited as a fraud, but I still remember the panic and feelings of betrayal involved with this. People really do need to put difficult items “on the shelf” and not panic in the meantime as they patiently and faithfully work through their assumptions, issues, etc. People who are struggling really need to go back to the basics, too. A French noblewoman once made the comment about St. Denis, who purportedly walked 100 steps after his execution by decapitation, carrying his head under his arm: “In such a promenade, it is the first step that is important.” Meaning, if the foundational things happened, the rest is just details. If the Father and Son appeared to Joseph Smith, if resurrected angels really ordained Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery to the priesthood, if the Book of Mormon people, places, and events were real, if resurrected angels really appeared in the Kirtland Temple, etc. ---- then the reasons for the priesthood ban, polygamy, varying First Vision accounts, etc. are interesting details. Whether St. Denis walked one mile or a hundred is really unimportant --- the real question is whether he walked at all.

Regarding what is being done and whether things are improving, some of us are trying to do just that. FAIR, FARMS/NAMI, etc. are striving to make information and arguments accessible. The real key is helping members who have emotional reactions and feelings of betrayal when they encounter information that contradicts their assumptions or limited understanding of things.
Dan picks something that was an obvious forgery to represent the cause of struggling testimonies, and by pointing out the forgery, insinuates to believers that this is the case with all "problems" they have after uncovering disturbing facts. All they need to do is "put it on the shelf" and as time passes, it will all be shown to be lies and deception.

Silly. I never even heard of this forged document and Dan, who has the developed the apologetic dissonance of the world's finest defense attorney, wants us to believe his testimony was on the ropes over this? Really. If Cowdery said something like this, he could merely pass it off as Satan's way of getting to him or whatever. Certainly it isn't as strong as the evidence against Joseph Smith's ability to translate ancient documents, which doesn't seem to phase Dan in the slightest.

But I found the "put it on the shelf" advice interesting because that is how they get people to stay in the Church. In other words, shut your minds off and wait for us to come up with some BS apologetic that you'll then be bludgeoned with until you accept it.... until it is disproved as nonsense and then you'll have to put it on the shelf yet again until we can come up with something that sticks.

Well, I eventually realized I didn't need FAIR or FARMS to come up with apologetic excuses for me. I have a brain too, and my search for truth is no longer tainted by an apologetic need to invent "truth" just for the sake of maintaining belief. I don't need people like Dan to wax eloquently with me by telling me the hard facts I have uncovered are merely my "assumptions" and my "issues."

Edit: The question also reveals the utter failure of MADB, FAIR, FARMS, etc. This poor guy is wanting serious help and Dan has nothing to offer except "wait and see."
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Peterson Is Really A Piece Of Work
Tuesday, Mar 22, 2011, at 07:55 AM
Original Author(s): Makurosu
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
http://www.mormontimes.com/article/20...
"If there is no life after death and no loving and merciful God, horrific moral evils and devastating natural disasters have the last word."

"It can easily sound heartless (or pie-in-the-sky) to say it, but, from the standpoint of eternity, even death in a tsunami may someday come to seem a relatively small thing."
I can hardly bring myself to read Mormon publications anymore. I see now that he wrote that article just to say that he isn't going to answer the question he raises, because he only has 700 words which he needs to use to attack atheists. Then he makes a point that not just atheists hold:

"Some atheists seek to solve the problem of evil by dissolving it. There is no God, they say, no purpose in the universe, no meaning to the deaths of those killed by child rapists, plague viruses and earthquakes – and, thus, no theological "problem.""

Well, that's the position that most moderate theists hold. Not that there is no God, but that not everything that happens in the world happens for a reason. Sometimes it's just a random event - like this tsunami. It's terrible, but it happens and it's not God's or anyone else's fault, which is what Peterson would imply by putting God in charge of everything that happens in the world.

Essentially he's creating a false dilemma. Either you believe in a world without randomness where everything happens for a reason or you believe in a world ruled entirely by randomness where there is no morality and no salvation.
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Perhaps It Isn't Just That They Fear Dwindling Numbers
Friday, Apr 8, 2011, at 01:03 PM
Original Author(s): Jesus Smith
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
"The Internet aids missionary effort" Published: Thursday, April 7, 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT, by Dan Peterson:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70...

Perhaps it isn't just that they fear dwindling numbers...

DCP quotes Ballard, who wrote:

"The challenge is that there are too many people participating in conversations about the church for our church personnel to converse with and respond to individually."

Is this an admission that there are too many critics now? Or is it that they realize they are no longer in control of information and they are trying to find ways to get it in back in their control? silly cult.

To get this control, DCP's response is to put up the scholars testify page? How meager. Just more testimonies against actual fact and data. Except the trick is the testimony is from more "qualified" sources that are easier for lay members to trust when they themselves fear going after facts.

Then he suggests that "ordinary members" use the "more good foundation" website where they, the "unscholared", can testify. More of the same for the proletariat.

DCP wrote: "It's time to reclaim the conversation about us online, to dispel misperceptions..."

What he really means by reclaiming the conversation is to divert it from fact-based history and science to touchy-feely testimonies as the LDS main argument. DCP doesn't want to get LDS more vocal on facts. He wants to change the subject.

The risk is encouraging members to go online and confront "misperceptions". That opens them to anti-mo info.

But if LDSinc can keep members in "testify" only mode, and not in factual arguments, they can still attract and keep the fools that are driven to belief on feelings.

I have now had in-depth conversations with three contributors of mormonscholarstestimonkeys. Every one of them backed down after a good academic discussion and fell back to essentially saying, "well, it just works for me, but I agree that maybe pushing it as the only solution for the rest of the world is egocentric."
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Daniel Peterson Admits The Mormon Church Is Not The Fastest Growing
Friday, Apr 8, 2011, at 01:04 PM
Original Author(s): Jw The Inquizzinator
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
"The Internet aids missionary effort" Published: Thursday, April 7, 2011 5:00 a.m. MDT, by Dan Peterson:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70...

Snippets:

"I've lived in Utah now for slightly more than half my life. And not merely in Utah but in a very Mormon neighborhood in a very Mormon county, teaching at Brigham Young University. So, whenever I've heard the exhortation "Every member a missionary," I've wondered what to do. Non-Mormons are a rather exotic breed around here...."

"...There's no limit to the opportunities that the Internet offers us to "think globally" while "acting locally." Sitting at home, we can reach the Australian Outback, West Africa and the Scottish Highlands with our testimonies as easily as the town next door...."

"...It's time to reclaim the conversation about us online, to dispel misperceptions, to use the Internet for the gathering of those who will hear the Savior's voice and come unto him...."

"...Today, we have been allotted tools for sharing the gospel of which Alma could never have dreamed."

"But we may have become complacent. Don't we send out full-time missionaries? Isn't that enough? Aren't we "the fastest growing religion"?"

"Actually, we're not. Church growth has been falling for many years, and our current rate of missionary success is the lowest it's been for decades. The harvest is great, but the laborers are still too few...."

Yes, Danny the internet is a great tool. And not only Alma, but Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, would be amazed at what ol' everyday people can discover on it. For example, any lds member could google "Mountain Meadows Massacre", or "death of Parley P. Pratt", or "Utah statehood", or "blacks and lds priesthood", or "Jospeph Smith + occult", or "Joseph Smith arrest records"....or many, many other items of interest to the average, every day lds member.

"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry."....Thomas Paine.
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Denial C. Peterson Rides Again - Deseret News: "Smiths Were [Not] Slackers"
Thursday, May 26, 2011, at 12:07 PM
Original Author(s): Slcabbie
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Denial C. Peterson Rides Again... D-News: "Smiths Were [Not] Slackers"

Warning, incoming high speed bullchip advisory...

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/70...

Apologetics 101: First we build our strawman...
The character and claims of Joseph Smith are fundamental to the claims of the church he founded. Knowing this, critics of the Prophet have contended for more than a century and a half that he and his family were the kind of people from whom nobody would want to buy a used car, much less receive a plan of salvation.
Uh Danny, that metaphor is really weak. There were no used cars in JS's time.... And the charge should probably read, "The Smiths were not someone to be trusted with guardianship of anyone's minor children."
The Smiths' farming techniques, it seems, were virtually a textbook illustration of the best recommendations of the day, showing them to have been, by contemporary standards, intelligent, skilled and responsible people. And they were very hard-working.
Uh, what about the "glass looking trial"? I don't find glass looking or peepstone-peering in the Farmer's Almanac... The trial on that charge is a fact, as proven from a documented court record...
In order to pay for their farm, the Smiths were obliged to hire themselves out as day-laborers...along the way, they produced between 1,000 and 7,000 pounds of maple sugar annually.
Maple syrup harvesting doubtless suited them; they could work a few weeks in the winter, boil down the sap, and have some ready cash...

And if the farm was so renumerative and successful, why did they leave the Palmyra area?

Too, Dr. Peterson, what about the Kirtland "anti-banking" scandal? The one where they used silver half dollars on top of lead and rocks in the safety deposit boxes to establish credibility and collateral? The scandal which, as LDS historian Richard Bushman noted, "Troubled Joseph Smith so much that he just had to do it. He had to leave town." (probably not quite verbatim, but it's from the PBS special, "The Mormons").

For actual insight into Joseph Smith's character, the William Law interiew offers the most credible detailing of the inner circle of church leadership. The story of Emma's role is particularly revealing (Why, Daniel, if the church is true, didn't Emma accompany the Saints to Utah?). And this was long after the Hurlbut era...

http://mrm.org/topics/documents-speec...

Revisionist history sellers, thy name is Mormon apologetics...

Can't blame 'em I guess; pays better than honest car salesmen make...
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DCP Article Demonstrating The Smiths Were Hard Workers
Friday, May 27, 2011, at 12:24 PM
Original Author(s): Zeezrom
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
DCP refers to an article written by Susan Black and Charles Tate in 1993 called, "The Joseph Smith, Sr., Family: Farmers of the Genesee"(1), which is noted by DCP as a "path-breaking" article, providing "hard evidence" and delivering a "serious blow" to allegations made in the Hurlbut-Howe(2) affidavits that claim the Smiths were lazy. The evidence is founded on the work done by Donald L. Enders, a senior curator at the Museum of Church History and Art in Salt Lake City.

Mr. Enders was apparently able to demonstrate solid evidence of hard work done by the Smiths using the following materials at hand:
  • land and tax records

  • farm account books and related correspondence

  • soil surveys

  • horticultural studies

  • surveys of historic buildings

  • archaeological reports

  • interviews with agricultural historians and other specialists

From this research, Enders concluded ("on questions of testable fact") that the Hurlbut-Howe affidavits cannot be trusted. The evidence shows that many trees and rocks had to be cleared from the Smith family farm site without modern tools and machinery. It is also shown that the Smiths had to find odd jobs (in addition to keeping up the property) to pay rent. It was also found that the Smith's property appraised at a higher value than their neighbors, including the lazy bozos who wrote the affidavits. We can safely conclude using DCP's own words: The Smiths turn out to not be the "local trash" in the community after all. Thank God!

My response to this is not one of surprise. I would suspect that all people that worked farms in that era were hard working folks. If you were not hard working, you didn't survive.

Luckily for Joseph Smith, he was able to find a desk job later on without having the money for a proper education.

I would actually like to see more of Ender's work. I would bet his research was pretty fascinating.

Sources:

1. Susan Easton Black and Charles D. Tate, Jr., editors, "Joseph Smith: The Prophet, the Man," Provo: Religious Studies Center, Brigham Young University, 1993, 213-25

2. Howe, Eber D., "Mormonism Unvailed". 1834
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Daniel In Denial's Den?
Friday, Jun 24, 2011, at 07:57 AM
Original Author(s): Stumbling
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
'But I also realized that the Book of Mormon cautions us powerfully against racism and undue ethnic pride.'
(Peterson - Mormon Times article 23rd June 2011)

'21 And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

22 And thus saith the Lord God: I will cause that they shall be loathsome unto thy people, save they shall repent of their iniquities.

23 And cursed shall be the seed of him that mixeth with their seed; for they shall be cursed even with the same cursing. And the Lord spake it, and it was done.'

2nd Nephi 5: Cautioning us powerfully against racism?
'Have a young man read it. “We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally...''
Current Aaronic Priesthood Manual 3 - Cautioning young men powerfully against racism?
'Accordingly, all worthy male members of the Church may be ordained to the priesthood without regard for race or color.'
Official Declaration From 1978 - Did the Prophets before 1978 miss the powerful cautioning against racism in the Book of Mormon?
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Daniel Peterson Talks To Mormon Stories About His Career As An LDS Apologist And Much More (4-Part Youtube Video)
Monday, Aug 22, 2011, at 07:24 AM
Original Author(s): Chino_blanco
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
http://mormonstories.org/?p=1904

FYI: Part 1 of 4 can be safely skipped (it's mostly biographical)

Notes on Part 2:

Leo Strauss gets a mention, I'm assuming he's a fan. DCP's position on I/P issue sounds sane for a conservative LDS. FARMS not out to prove anything, more interested in establishing enough plausibility so that "You don't have to crucify your mind to be a believer." Then holds up BOM witnesses as good evidence after briefly mentioning "cumulative" evidence that FARMS has gathered. Hmmm. The segue seems like a leap back to a time prior to any accumulation and back to arguing murky competing claims. Interested in having someone try to make a set of gold plates in order to understand the process (which strikes me as a not particularly useful or interesting undertaking). He sees similarities between Mohammed and Joseph Smith, ponders that no evidence outside both of their subjective experience, except for the plates. Ahhh, now I understand why nailing down existence of material proof of plates matters to DCP, it's the only distinction between Islam and Mormon origins.

Now getting into literary crit. Analysis suffers from DCP's speciality which is not really applicable to 19th century American production. Fallback is benefit of the doubt, God of the gaps position.

On to Joseph Smith polygamy. In isolation, it makes JS look bad. Argues our POV is warped by lack of personal familiarity with JS and possibility he badly handled introduction of the principle due to radical nature of the commandment. "If JS is pretending to be pious, man, he's good."

DCP comes out as proponent of inoculation. Members need to read more. Somehow people get that old in the church and then all of a sudden they find something that rattles them, info that's been published in LDS mags. On the other hand, "it is true that we don't always tell the whole story." JS Papers, MMM books, RSR, are a step forward and sign of maturity.

Dan W. starts naming names of researchers (Quinn, Palmer, Brooks) who've been attacked by apologists and asks DCP what's up with that. DCP says he's very "libertarian" in allowing other apologists to publish (and seems like he's distancing himself from their attacks).

Dan W. asking some important questions now about editorial policy at Maxwell Institute/FARMS. Tension between DCP's competing "bully pulpit" and "free exchange of ideas" positions regarding the apologetic enterprise. "Can we improve our tone? Probably so." But DCP says he's held back nasty personal details regarding his opponents because he's such a swell guy. Weak but in line with DCP defense of rhetorical back-and-forth over cleaner scholarly approach.

MMM fascinating because perpetrators were "good people" before and after the massacre. Brings up Hannah Arendt. Kinda creepy in the context b/c it leaves open the question of whether DCP or Mormons ought to presume to disavow such atrocities.

On to DNA. Iceland genetic trail is lost. Compare to Mesoamérica? (wow, unconvincing). Dan W. brings up how official church doesn't touch any of this. Where does that leave FARMS speculation? Is it rejecting early LDS prophets? DCP suggests not reading former prophets too closely or assuming inerrancy. Statements that affirm historicity of BOM are OK, contradictory/problematic utterances not important (apparently).

Around the one hour mark now. If you're going to jump in and listen, this is a good place to start, as things will begin to get interesting. DCP: "I don't think that the Brethren are led at every moment by God ... a lot of the time they are left to struggle with problems." Pilot church programs, for example. "I believe that God is playing a three-dimensional chess game." God is working both inside and outside the LDS church.

DCP: "I can see the future." Ergo, if I can, prophets can, too.

What about Joseph Smith being prophesied in ancient scripture. DCP ascribes to Blake Ostler's view regarding a future that's not fixed. God makes things happen in the future through his power, some scripture is God telegraphing his intentions, not a set future. Starting to sound very Straussian?
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How Can We Trust Mormon Scholars?
Friday, Sep 30, 2011, at 09:23 AM
Original Author(s): Hoggle
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
The Huffington Post comments are worth looking at:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/katie-h...

Tapir Rider said: "You are a university professor of Eastern languages, an academic colleague of Dr. Cross, yet you ignored his 1991 assessment of the Bat Creek Stone and instead focused on the writings of Dr. McCulloch, an Economics professor."

"The archaeologists have published that it is a hoax. A professor of Hebrew languages [Dr. Cross] disagreed with the writings of an economist [Dr. McCulloch], yet you have published in support of the Bat Creek Stone. This sure seems to be the way pseudo studies go.

Dr. Peterson replied: "I respect Frank Moore Cross enormously, but I don't grant him infallibility, either."

For anyone interested in who Dr. Frank Moore Cross, Jr. is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Mo...

"He was one of only two American scholars on the scroll-publication team [Dead Sea Scrolls], being personally responsible for identifying thousands of fragments, all of which have now been published. Cross is widely regarded as a pioneer in Qumran studies."

The Bat Creek Stone was alleged to have been from the same time period of the Dead Sea Scrolls. That is why Dr. Cross's assessment is so valuable. He was the American professor who did so much with actual artifacts written in Hebrew from that time period.

Here is a little about the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Bat Creek Inscription:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea...

"They are written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, mostly on parchment, but with some written on papyrus.[1] These manuscripts generally date between 150 BCE and 70 CE"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_Cree...

"Cross stated that only two letters of the entire inscription could conceivably be considered Paleo-Hebrew of the period in question (1st century BC to 1st century AD). Cross also said Gordon's reading of the inscription ("for the Jews") was based on the Aramaic alphabet rather than Paleo-Hebrew.[16]"

How is Dr. Peterson qualified in regards to the Bat Creek Stone? What are Dr. Peterson's credentials to suggest that Dr. Cross made a mistake?

How can we trust Mormon Scholars?
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Scholars Misbehaving: A Mormon Flavor
Thursday, May 10, 2012, at 08:12 AM
Original Author(s): Patrick Mefford
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-

Anyone involved in Mormon Studies is keenly aware just who Daniel C. Peterson is, a quick look at his publication history at the Neal A. Maxwell Institute for Religious Scholarship website shows a sustained effort in the area of Mormon Apologetics for two decades. Dr. Peterson is not merely limited to apologetics and faith promoting ventures however; he has also participated in the translation and publication of ancient philosophical texts under the auspices of the Maxwell Institute, a worthy contribution to a variety of fields covering History, Philosophy, and Near Eastern studies.

The industry of Mormon Apologetics rarely comes into contact with atheism or secularism, so when I came upon an essay written by Dr. Peterson entitled “Reflections on Secular Anti-Mormonism” that was published in the FARMS Review (2005), I was eager to read Dr. Peterson’s thoughts. Now it is important for me to mention that Dr. Peterson presented this essay that same year at a FAIR conference (Youtube video here and transcript here), because what I discovered both angered and disappointed me.

The essay itself isn’t enlightening, informative, nor entertaining, which is what disappointed me. Dr. Peterson’s criticisms of secular thought are shallow, but I found them largely unremarkable and seem to come straight out of the usual apologia-lite style of general Christian Apologetics like Lee Strobel or Norman Geisler. What had angered me was Dr. Peterson’s use (abuse really) of Albert Camus as a means to launch some of these criticisms.

At the start of the momentum building up to the Camus abuse, Dr. Peterson seems to be (at least) vaguely familiar with Camus and his work. As near I can tell, these examples of life tragically cut short and the observation about the finality of death is some kind groping towards Camus’ demonstration of the absurd in 'The Myth of Sisyphus 'and/or 'The Stranger'. Camus does meditate and work his way through two blunt facts that create the absurd; (i) a cold mindless universe that grinds on in the face of humanity’s dream of unity and peace and (ii) the destiny of death that each person must meet. From these starting points, Camus begins to construct a hermeneutic for how a human should understand his or her place in this world. Dr. Peterson sets it up in the following way:

I confess that I find those who rejoice in atheism baffling. It is not merely the thought of the atheist's funeral: "all dressed up with nowhere to go." I think of Beethoven, hiding down in the basement with pillows to his ears, desperately trying to save his fading sense of hearing as he was working on his majestic "Emperor" Concerto. Or, a little later, conducting the magnificent Ninth Symphony, which he never heard, having to be turned around by the concertmaster because he did not know that the audience was applauding him. I think of Mozart, feverishly trying to finish his own Requiem–dead at thirty-five and thrown into an unmarked pauper's grave. So many lives have been cut short, leaving so many poems unwritten, so many symphonies uncomposed, so many scientific discoveries unmade.

In fact, it is hard to think of anyone who has achieved his or her full potential in this life. Tragic foreshortenings do not only happen to geniuses. A neighbor and friend was stricken with multiple sclerosis in her midtwenties and now, in her thirties, lies bedridden in a rest home. Barring some incredible medical breakthrough, this is her life. Absent hope for a life to come, this is all she will ever have to look forward to. My own father, for the last six years of his life, blind from an utterly unforeseen stroke suffered during routine and relatively minor surgery, was incapable of any of the activities in which he had once found satisfaction and pathetically asked me, every few weeks, whether he would ever see again. What comfort would there be in saying, "No, Dad. This is it. Nothing good is coming. And then you'll die."

Of course, something may be unpalatable and unpleasant yet accurate. I can certainly understand coming to the sad conclusion that this is in fact the truth about the human condition: That we live briefly, then we die and we rot. That so, too, do our children and our grandchildren. And that so, also, does everything we create–our music, our buildings, our literature, our inventions. That "all we are is dust in the wind."[44]

But I cannot understand those who regard this as glorious good news.

Of course, Camus would go on to reject the conclusions that Dr. Peterson is drawing here, but the abuse doesn't begin until immedtiatly after those conclusions:

Perhaps, on second thought, though, I can understand those who might see it as a liberation. "If there is no God," says Dostoevsky's Ivan Karamazov, "that means everything is permitted."[45] Why? Because nothing matters at all. Everything is meaningless. However, this liberation comes at a very, very high price. "If we believe in nothing," said the great French writer and Nobel laureate Albert Camus...

Dr. Peterson then gives us two Camus quotes to bolster this observation. The first one:

[...]if nothing has any meaning and if we can affirm no values whatsoever, then everything is possible and nothing has any importance. There is no pro or con: the murderer is neither right nor wrong. We are free to stoke the crematory fires or to devote ourselves to the care of lepers. Evil and virtue are mere chance or caprice.[46]

Followed by:

At the point where it is no longer possible to say what is black and what is white, the light is extinguished and freedom becomes a voluntary prison.[47]

A careful reader would immediately notice that Dr. Peterson’s citations come from 'The Rebel', which comes chronologically after 'The Myth of Sisyphus' and requires the reader to be aware that Camus has already analyzed the absurd condition of humans and came to the conclusion that one shouldn’t kill themselves in despair (physical suicide), nor adopt any transcendent and religious doctrines (philosophical suicide), but bravely face this absurd condition:

It is during that return, that pause, that Sisyphus interests me. A face that toils so close to stones is already stone itself! I see that man going back down with a heavy yet measured step toward the torment of which he will never know the end. That hour like a breathing-space which returns as surely as his suffering, that is the hour of consciousness. At each of those moments when he leaves the heights and gradually sinks toward the lairs of the gods, he is superior to his fate. He is stronger than his rock.

If this myth is tragic, that is because its hero is conscious. Where would his torture be, indeed, if at every step the hope of succeeding upheld him? The workman of today works every day in his life at the same tasks, and this fate is no less absurd. But it is tragic only at the rare moments when it becomes conscious. Sisyphus, proletarian of the gods, powerless and rebellious, knows the whole extent of his wretched condition: it is what he thinks of during his descent. This lucidity that was to constitute his torture at the same time crowns his victory. There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn (1).

It is from this conclusion in the final chapter of 'The Myth of Sisyphus' that 'The Rebel' builds upon. If human existence is absurd and the only answer is to grimly face it in defiance, how are we to understand the act of murder? It’s interesting to note that Dr. Peterson’s first citation (#46) comes from the introduction to 'The Rebel' where Camus is taking pains to properly explain this problem of murder (in light of the absurd) to the reader. Below is the text Dr. Peterson reproduced for his essay (bolded), but in a much fuller context:

But, for the moment, this train of thought yields only one concept: that of the absurd. And the concept of the absurd leads only to a contradiction as far as the problem of murder is concerned. Awareness of the absurd, when we first claim to deduce a rule of behavior from it, makes murder seem a matter of indifference, to say the least, and hence possible. If we believe in nothing, if nothing has any meaning and if we can affirm no values whatsoever, then everything is possible and nothing has any importance. There is no pro or con: the murderer is neither right nor wrong. We are free to stoke the crematory fires or to devote ourselves to the care of lepers. Evil and virtue are mere chance or caprice.

We shall then decide not to act at all, which amounts to at least accepting the murder of others, with perhaps certain mild reservations about the imperfection of the human race. Again we may decide to substitute tragic dilettantism for action, and in this case human lives become counters in a game. Finally, we may propose to embark on some course of action which is not entirely gratuitous. In the latter case, in that we have no higher values to guide our behavior, our aim will be immediate efficacy. Since nothing is either true or false, good or bad, our guiding principle will be to demonstrate that we are the most efficient-in other words, the strongest. Then the world will no longer be divided into the just and the unjust, but into masters and slaves. Thus, whichever way we turn, in our abyss of negation and nihilism, murder has its privileged position.

Hence, if we claim to adopt the absurdist attitude, we must prepare ourselves to commit murder, thus admitting that logic is more important than scruples that we consider illusory. Of course, we must have some predisposition to murder. But, on the whole, less than might be possible, as we can so often observe, to delegate murder. Everything would then be made to conform to logic- if logic could really be satisfied in this way.

But logic cannot be satisfied by an attitude which first demonstrates that murder is possible and then that it is impossible. For after having proved that the act of murder is at least a matter of indifference, absurdist analysis, in its most important deduction, finally condemns murder. Suicide would mean the end of this encounter, and absurdist reasoning considers that it could not consent to this without negating its own premises. According to absurdist reasoning, such a solution would be the equivalent of flight or deliverance. But it is obvious that absurdism hereby admits that human life is the only necessary good since it is precisely life that makes this encounter possible and since, without life, the absurdist wager would have no basis. To say that life is absurd, the conscience must be alive (2).

One can immediately see how poorly out of context citation #46 is and that the portion quoted by Dr. Peterson was actually Camus setting up the conditions to show a contradiction that arises when trying to be indifferent about murder, even if one is mired in an “abyss of negation and nihilism” murder still has some kind of value placed on it. Dr. Peterson attempts to make citation #46 appear to be the legitimate opinion of Camus when in fact Camus almost immediately repudiates that very opinion. To demonstrate again just how out of touch Dr. Peterson is with Camus’ thought, take a look at this passage just a bit later in his essay, when he attempts to criticize an atheistic worldview:

But on what basis can a materialist, whose universe is exhausted by material particles and the void, claim that something is objectively wrong? Do right and wrong not become matters merely of personal preference and, perhaps, of power? Not only existentialists but many superficial "life counselors" suggest that we should construct our own "meaning" for life. But is such a self-constructed meaning really meaning at all?

Dr. Peterson poses this challenge, even though at this juncture he has cited ‘The Rebel’ three times, and within just a few pages of his own citations, not even one third of the way into ‘The Rebel’, we read this:

If the individual, in fact, accepts death and happens to die as a consequence of his act of rebellion, he demonstrates by doing so that he is will to sacrifice himself for the sake of a common good which he considers more important than his own destiny. If he prefers the risk of death to the negation of the rights that he defends, it is because he considers these rights more important than himself. Therefore he is acting in the name of certain values which are still indeterminate but which he feels are common to himself and to all men. We see that the affirmation implicit in every act of rebellion is extended to something that transcends the individual in so far as it withdraws him from his supposed solitude and provides him with a reason to act (3).

Why does Dr. Peterson bother to introduce Camus, with selective quotations naked of any relevant context, only to ask rhetorical questions and ignore the fact that Camus himself tried to answer those very same questions? Why not simply engage Camus’ writings instead of making it appear as if Camus agreed with the well worn (and often misunderstood) notion that if God doesn’t exist, anything is permissible? Speaking of Dostoevsky, here is citation #47 in a fuller context (with Dr. Peterson‘s actual citation bolded):

Because his mind was free, Nietzsche knew that freedom of the mind is not a comfort, but an achievement to which one aspires and at long last obtains after an exhausting struggle. He knew that in wanting to consider oneself above the law, there is a great risk of finding oneself beneath the law. That is why he understood that only the mind found its real emancipation in the acceptance of new obligations. The essence of his discovery consists in saying that if the eternal law is not freedom, the absence of law is still less so. If nothing is true, if the world is without order, then nothing is forbidden, to prohibit an action, there must, in fact, be a standard of values and an aim. But, at the same time, nothing is authorized; there must also be values and aims in order to choose another course of action. Absolute domination by the law does not represent liberty, but no more does absolute anarchy. The sum total of every possibility does not amount to liberty, but to attempt the impossible amounts to slavery. Chaos is also a form of servitude. Freedom exists only in a world where what is possible is defined at the same time as what is not possible. Without law there is no freedom. If fate is not guided by superior values, if chance is king, then there is nothing but the step in the dark and the appalling freedom of the blind. On the point of achieving the most complete liberation, Nietzsche therefore chooses the most complete subordination. “If we do not make of God’s death a great renunciation and a perpetual victory over ourselves, we shall have to pay for that omission.” In other words, with Nietzsche rebellion ends in asceticism. A profounder logic replaces the “if nothing is true, everything is permitted” of Karamazov by “if nothing is true, nothing is permitted.” To deny that one single thing is forbidden in this world amounts to renouncing everything that is permitted. At that point where it is no longer possible to say what is black and what is white, the light is extinguished and freedom becomes a voluntary prison (4).

To give readers some needed background to fully understand this portion of text (something Dr. Peterson failed to do for his own readers and listeners), this paragraph comes from Metaphysical Rebellion, part II of 'The Rebel'. The particular section Dr. Peterson quotes from (and not for the last time either, as we’ll see later) is called Absolute Affirmation. The section just prior to Absolute Affirmation is called The Rejection of Salvation where Camus directly interacts with Dostoyevsky’s characters Ivan Karamazov, his brother Aliosha, and the parable told by Ivan about the Grand Inquisitors. The Rejection of Salvation is largely about how a rebel comes to rebel against the metaphysical ideal of God. The last two paragraphs read:

By then the prisoner has been executed; the Grand Inquisitors reign alone, listening to “the profound spirit, the spirit of destruction and death.” The Grand Inquisitors proudly refuse freedom and the bread of heaven and odder the bread of this earth without freedom. “Come down from the cross and we will believe in you,” their police agents are already crying on Golgotha. But He did not come down and, even, at the most tortured moment of His agony, He protested to God at having been forsaken. There are, thus, no longer any proofs, but faith and the mystery that the rebels reject and at which the Grand Inquisitors scoff. Everything is permitted and centuries of crime are prepared in that cataclysmic moment. From Paul to Stalin, the popes who have chosen Caesar have prepared the way for Caesars who quickly learn to despise popes. The unity of the world, which was not achieved with God, will henceforth be attempted in defiance of God.

But we have not yet reached that point. For the moment, Ivan offers us only the tortured face of the rebel plunged in the abyss, incapable of action, torn between the idea of his own innocence and the desire to kill. He hates the death penalty because it is the image of the human condition, and, at the same time, he is drawn to crime. Because he has taken the side of mankind, solitude is his lot. With him the rebellion of reason culminates in madness (5).

Camus feels that Ivan’s rebellion is intellectually justified, just as he feels the atheist’s rebellion against the idea of God is intellectually justified, but it can appear that the rejection of God can put the rebel/atheist in a weird space. Christ had come to set humanity free, but because he left no instructions on what to do with this freedom, madness ensued and humanity needed The Grand Inquisitors to kill Christ and restore order in exchange for freedom. This madness of Ivan appears to be a symptom of this freedom, can this same madness be avoided when we reject God as some kind of ultimate metaphysical grounding for everything?

Camus investigates different strategies to avoid the fate of Ivan in Absolute Affirmation, the very next section. Here, Camus investigates two thinkers in particular; Max Stirner and Friedrich Nietzsche. The section that Dr. Peterson drew his quote from came in the middle of Camus’ treatment of Nietzsche’s philosophy. So what we are reading isn’t exactly the product of Camus’ own personal philosophical thinking as much as it is Camus exegeting Nietzsche’s work in light of the absurd ideal.

As we can see, Camus thinks that Nietzsche would reject Dr. Peterson‘s little maxim he attributes to Dostoyevsky:

A profounder logic replaces the “if nothing is true, everything is permitted” of Karamazov by “if nothing is true, nothing is permitted.”

Careful readers will note that Dr. Peterson’s quote reads, “If there is no God that means everything is permitted” but Camus has it, “if nothing is true, everything is permitted”. Dr. Peterson’s modern source better renders the original Russian, while Camus probably confused this passage from Nietzsche’s ‘Genealogy of Morals’ with what Ivan was expressing (italics mine):

When the Christian crusaders in the Orient encountered the invincible order of Assassins, that order of free spirits par excellence, whose lowest ranks followed a rile of obedience the likes of which no order of monks ever attained, they obtained in some way or other a hint concerning that symbol and watchword reserved for the highest ranks alone as their secretum: “Nothing is true, everything is permitted.”- Very well, that was freedom of spirit; in that way the faith in truth was abrogated (6).

In the footnotes, Walter Kaufmann (translator) remarks that the phrase “nothing is true, everything is permitted.” did not come from Nietzsche, nor did Nietzsche get it from Dostoyevsky.

I think it has become painfully apparent that citations #46 and #47 come from contexts that originally set out to repudiate the very idea Dr. Peterson wishes to advance with his use of Camus. I’ll continue this investigation of Dr. Peterson’s use of Camus in a sequel post, but as to how to properly understand Ivan’s notion of “If there is no God that means everything is permitted”, I merely want to quote the idea in it’s fullest form from ‘The Brothers Karamazov’ and allow the reader to decide for himself/herself.

The following monologue is the Devil speaking to Ivan in a dream and comes from the same translation that Dr. Peterson cited:

"...'There are new people now,' you decided last spring, as you were preparing to come here, 'they propose to destroy everything and begin with [cannibalism]. Fools, they never asked me! In my opinion, there is no need to destroy anything, one need only destroy the idea of God in mankind, that's where the business should start! One should begin with that, with that–oh, blind men, of no understanding! Once mankind has renounced God, one and all (and I believe that this period, analogous to the geological periods, will come), then the entire old world view will fall of itself, without [cannibalism], and, above all, the entire former morality, and everything will be new. People will come together in order to take from life all that it can give, but, of course, for happiness and joy in this world only. Man will be exalted with the spirit of divine, titanic pride, and the man-god will appear. Man, his will and his science no longer limited, conquering nature every hour, will thereby every hour experience such lofty delight as will replace for him all his former hopes of heavenly delight. Each will know himself utterly mortal, without resurrection, and will accept death proudly and calmly, like a god. Out of pride he will understand that he should not murmur against the momentariness of life, and he will love his brother then without any reward. Love will satisfy only the moment of life, but the very awareness of its momentariness will increase its fire, inasmuch as previously it was diffused in hopes of an eternal love beyond the grave?' ... well, and so on and so on, in the same vein. Lovely!"

Ivan was sitting with his hands over his ears, looking down, but his whole body started trembling. The voice went on:

"'The question now,' my young thinker reflected, 'is whether or not it is possible for such a period ever to come. If it does come, then everything will be resolved and mankind will finally be settled. But since, in view of man's inveterate stupidity, it may not be settled for another thousand years, anyone who already knows the truth is permitted to settle things for himself, absolutely as he wishes, on the new principles. In this sense, "everything is permitted" to him. Moreover, since God and immortality do not exist in any case, even if this period should never come, the new man is allowed to become a man-god, though it be he alone in the whole world, and of course, in this new rank, to jump lightheartedly over any former moral obstacle of the former slave-man, if need be. There is no law for God! Where God stands–there is the place of God! Where I stand, there at once will be the foremost place ... "everything is permitted," and that's that!' It's all very nice; only if one wants to swindle, why, I wonder, should one also need the sanction of truth? But such is the modern little Russian man: without such a sanction, he doesn't even dare to swindle, so much does he love the truth…(7)"

(1) The Myth of Sisyphus and Other Essays by Albert Camus, translated by Justin O’Brien and published by Vintage International Vintage Books, 1991 , page 121.

(2) The Rebel: An Essay on Man in Revolt by Albert Camus, translated by Anthony Bower O’Brien and published by Vintage International Vintage Books, 1991, pages 5-6.

(3) Ibid, pages 15-16.

(4) Ibid, pages 70-71.

(5) Ibid, page 61

(6) Basic Writings of Nietzsche by Friedrich Nietzsche, translated by Walter Kaufmann and published by Random House (Modern Library edition), 1992, page 586.

(7) The Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky, translated by Richard Pevear and Larissa Volokhonsky and published by North Point Press, 1990, pages 648-649.

http://servileconformist.typepad.com/...
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Natuska Does A Great Job Explaining Why Daniel C. Peterson And The Mopologists Are Wrong About Native American DNA
Wednesday, May 23, 2012, at 10:21 AM
Original Author(s): Dblagent007
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
I'm going to reproduce a string of comments between Daniel Peterson and Natuska posted in the comments section of a Huffington Post article back in September 2011. Natuska does a great job explaining why Dan and the mopologists are wrong about native american DNA.

Dan gets things rolling by posting links to Mormon Scholars testify.

Dan Peterson wrote:
For anybody who might be interested: Roughly three hundred affirmations of their faith from reflective and believing Mormons can be read at

http://mormonscholarstestify.org/

http://mormonscholarstestify.org/cate...

And the collection continues to grow steadily.
Natuska wrote:
And for anyone interested in what an actual archeologist of note has to say about most everything claimed by the book of mormon:

http://www.pbs.org/Mormons/interviews...

Michael Coe is an emeritus professor at Yale. He spent his life in archeology in one of the places Mormons like to claim is a strong candidate for the Book of Mormon lands. In short, the archeological record provides no support for those who like to claim the Book of Mormon is a historical record of early inhabitants of the americas. The most damning evidence is that no pollen has ever been found *anywhere* for cereals the Book of Mormon claims were grown.

That is completely separate from the lack of DNA evidence. The Book of Mormon claims arrivals from the Middle east were amongst the "principal" founders of the native americans, though the DNA record indicates this is strikingly not the case. The time periods concerned are practically overnight in genetic terms so any trace should be easy to pick up - no one has come close to finding any supporting evidence. Several LDS geneticists have fallen from the faith when they realized the evidence in the DNA challenged the central occurrences in the Book of Mormon. By contrast, the genetic history of world Jewry is so clearcut that Jewish or non-Jewish heritage of any group of people has been trivial to determine.

You will find no scientific support if you choose to believe in the Book of Mormon and Occam's Razor would suggest that the whole story is fantasy.
Dan Peterson wrote:
Anyone interested in a profession of faith from a believing Mormon "archaeologist of note" is invited to read

http://mormonscholarstestify.org/2166...

And perhaps also

http://mormonscholarstestify.org/114/...

(By the way, Michael Coe has had very laudatory things to say over the years about the scholarship of both of these men.)

And more is on its way.

On the DNA issue:

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/displ...

Several quite prominent geneticists happen to be believing Latter-day Saints. DNA neither proves nor disproves the Book of Mormon.
Natuska wrote:
Let's hope these "quite prominent geneticists" read this weeks issue of Science magazine - one of the most reputable peer-reviewed journals.

There's an article entitled "Tracing the Paths of the First Americans" which summarizes the findings of six recent papers looking at the genetic ancestry of native Americans. The key sentence is:

"The findings support earlier indications that the Paleoindians, the ancestors of today's Native Americans, stem from a single Asian source population."

And, a reputable geneticist, who happens to be LDS, has shown that a fragment of DNA (which some LDS thought was a a remnant of Lehi's group) has been in the US for about 15,000 years - way before any of the migrations.

With this new data, and previous work, your assertion that DNA neither proves nor disproves the Book of Mormon, is without foundation. All the extant evidence suggests the Book of Mormon account is not even close to being accurate.
Dan Peterson wrote:
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publi...

http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publi...

In light of the considerations laid out by Dr. McClellan and Dr. Whiting, it's difficult to see how anything in the "Science" article could disprove the claims of the Book of Mormon.

But then, Dr. McClellan is a population geneticist and Dr. Whiting is a prominent molecular biologist, so what would THEY know? Better to take the word of a hostile pseudonymous layman, right?
Natuska wrote:
Very nice and hostile response. I am not a layman, unless you'd consider an active mid-career academic scientist working in a closely related area a "layman". Hostile isn't accurate - I really could care less what people believe as long as the science they base it on is accurate and not distorted.

It's odd that you would name-drop like this. Both scientists you mentioned are well published though don't work directly on ancestry of native americans. The first is a bioinformatician who works on mitochondrial SNPs and Whiting works on insect mitochondria.

Your FARMS and BYU links (which are not - repeat not) peer-reviewed are from 2003 which is a lifetime in this field and predates many of the most significant discoveries in this area and recent techniques of detecting sequence homology in autosomal DNA (in those days a certain mitochondrial haplotype was considered the great hope of LDS researchers - later shown to be inaccurate by a LDS researcher). They are opinion pieces and should be advertised as such.

I'd take a look at http://www.sciencemag.org/content/333...

if I were you for the newer techniques in action. I will say it again - the peer-reviewed scientific literature (which excludes personal opinion pieces in BYU publications for obvious reasons) categorically rules out the requirement of Book of Mormon.

As I maintain - the evolutionary record is so clear that an undergrad would come to the same conclusion.
Dan Peterson wrote:
Dr. McClellan's article is a few years old, but that's not enough, in and of itself, to invalidate his points -- and his points suggest that the "Science" article is probably irrelevant to the Book of Mormon. Incidentally, if I've read the particular "Science" article in question, it specifically notes that more testing is needed, and its accompanying map very conspicuously indicates that testing hasn't been done in the area specifically favored for the Book of Mormon by most believing Latter-day Saint scholars.

Thus, even if Dr. McClellan's points DIDN'T hold, the "Science" article would seem to be indecisive regarding the Book of Mormon.
Natuska wrote:
The authors essentially used DNA extracted from burial sites to piece together migration patterns. The data fits prevailing models rather elegantly. Scientists always request more testing to flesh out their datasets and increase the clarity of their results. The request for additional testing noted in the summary piece I cited relates to the not entirely ruled out possibility of additional arrivals from Asia via the Beringian route but additional sequence data will clarify that. That caveat clearly doesn't mean "We're actually expeting some Middle Eastern DNA to pop up if we keep sequencing". The implication of the caveat is entirely different.

Given the abundance of native american DNA already collected, it's not even remotely likely that new samples will change the current outlook, only it will lend further evidence for a precise number of Alaskan arrivals. Were Lehi's party really the "principal founders" they've done a very good job of hiding all evidence - not just in the US genetic record but also in the soil. Their presence was as real in the US as the Kinderhoek plates.

Plus, the data cover both broad regions where one can buy tours to visit the Book of Mormon lands.
Dan Peterson wrote:
Actually, if you had read the articles by Drs. Whiting and McClellan, and if you understood my position (I suspect that you have no idea what it is), you would realize that I'm not "punting" on any scientific discipline, and that I don't expect "Middle Eastern DNA" to turn up.
Natuska wrote:
I read bits of both references you cited, although I skipped the biology lesson at the start of the first link. I skipped over the sentence which would make a peer-reviewer shudder: "First, however, I feel compelled by my faith to state that the only reliable way to test the veracity of the Book of Mormon or statements by modern prophets such as Joseph Smith is to put Moroni's promise to the test on a personal level".

His argument seems to be a restatement of absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and that exact answers to research are not an experimental reality. Here we agree though repeated and sustained absence of evidence does undermine the counter hypothesis that Lehi's DNA does exist.

He suggests it's not probable that the genetic trace of a small migrating party would necessarily or logically be detected. Here I strongly disagree - their DNA was different and if they had *any* survivors (even those whose DNA has been collected from native burial sites) it would have shown up, even if those survivors subsequently died out: people reproduce and so does their DNA. Scandinavian and Asian DNA has been detected in the American genetic record.

The author seems to concede that no DNA from Lehi has been found and he's comfortable with this. Given the plethora of accumulated evidence, I'd venture it will never be found. Science attaches a confidence to predictions and on the basis of the available evidence Lehi's DNA never existed.

The second link's author states no scientific experiment can be used to test the account of the Book of Mormon. Then he deals with a number of problems of DNA research and problems associated with detecting evolutionary relationships and points to the difficulties in making conclusions on data which do not directly test a hypothesis: many of the researchers did not specifically look for Lehi's DNA. But scientists are curious beasts and if they detected an interesting bit of DNA they would have devoted attention to it - especially if they detected Middle Eastern DNA. After all - interesting bits of DNA led to our knowledge of mobile DNA and viral integration.

He identifies the problem of the difficulty of detecting small amounts of DNA in a larger population though recent genetic advances, based largely on the explosion of sequence data from around the world, mitigates that concern: traces from tiny founding colonies have been detected in the genetic record.

The enumeration of difficulties still reads like an apology for the lack of evidence. One LDS adherent once told me "Trust me, BYU whizzes are all over this problem". And that itself causes a problem. Evidence of Lehi's DNA would constantly be on our TV screens and used by the missionaries if it were found. But it never will be.

If your position for the lack of DNA evidence (and the more serious lack of a pollen record) is more sophisticated and subtle than this, I'd be very interested to hear it.
Dan Peterson wrote:
I suspect that there are only a handful of diehards monitoring this portion of the comments section, so I'm probably going to opt out soon on the basis of the principle of marginal benefit.

In the meantime, though, I just want to say that I think it would be wonderful to live in a world, as you and all non-Mormons apparently do, where no argument ever turns out to be mistaken, no evidence ever turns out to be wrong, no seemingly solid claim ever proves unreliable, no scholar ever makes a mistake, all propositions are accepted without resistance, and there is no controversy about assertions of fact.
Natuska wrote:
You're punting on a lot of linguistics, archeology, anthropology, molecular biology and evolutionary science, generated by legions of scientists - some LDS - from around the world being not just mistaken but so profoundly wrong that they somehow miss all the events recorded in the Book of Mormon. Good luck with that.
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Richard Mouw - Daniel Peterson's Next Target?
Tuesday, May 29, 2012, at 07:33 AM
Original Author(s): Kevin Graham
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05...
Richard Mouw, Evangelical Leader, Says Engaging Mormons Isn't Just About Being Nice

Richard Mouw never intended to start a riot within the evangelical community by saying his fellow believers had "sinned against Mormonism." But that's exactly what happened.

Mouw, president of Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena, Calif., had been meeting regularly with Latter-day Saint scholars before he gave a seven-minute introduction of Ravi Zacharias, an evangelical speaker who addressed a packed audience in the Mormon Tabernacle in November 2004.

"We've often seriously misrepresented the beliefs and practices of members of the LDS faith," Mouw said that night. "It's a terrible thing to bear false witness."

The impact was immediate.

Some of Mouw's colleagues and fellow believers were outraged. They accused him of selling out, of not standing for the Christian truth or adequately denouncing evil, of being duped.

Undeterred, Mouw continued this line of preaching to evangelicals for the next seven years and maintained regular conversations with Mormons. He has now expanded it into a just-released book, "Talking with Mormons: An Invitation to Evangelicals."

In the book, Mouw argues that understanding Mormonism isn't just about being nice, it's a Christian mandate.

Too often, evangelicals pick up little-taught LDS beliefs -- such as humans becoming gods or having their own planets -- and put them at the center of Mormon theology, rather than at the periphery.

"If in our attempts to defeat them we play fast and loose with the truth by attributing to them things they don't in fact teach," Mouw writes, "then we have become false teachers: teachers of untruths."

Mouw spells out the doctrinal differences between the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and historical Christian faiths: the nature of God and Jesus, the nature of the Trinity, nonbiblical Mormon scriptures and the rejection of the creeds.

Mouw disagrees with Mormon theology, but the Fuller president also grapples with what to think about Mormon founder Joseph Smith.

Evangelicals generally view Smith as either a lunatic or a liar, but neither category adequately explains to Mouw how Smith could launch a movement that produced so many good people who share his values. The same argument could be applied to Muhammad and Islam.

Mouw arrives at what could be seen by many evangelicals as a radical idea: He recognizes "the positive workings of God beyond the borders of orthodox Christianity."
Maybe in the same way WWII produced good, or slavery produced good, using Dan Peterson's logic. Further, Mormonism today wouldn't even be recognized by Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. Today's Mormonism is a corporate entity designed to present a pleasant public face, even if it means lying. So yes, today's Mormonism is almost always going to go out of its way to be politically correct. Hence, no more polygamy, no more priesthood ban, no more claims about Indians being Lamanites, no more Prophets providing prophesies, etc. Joseph Smith just helped develop a social system whose integrity would be established through guaranteed funding (tithes) and loyalty (self-delusion).

Incidentally, Dan Peterson used to be one of those Mormon scholars who met up with Mouw at Fuller for whatever inter-faith dialogue activity they had going on at the time, but later Dan expressed his strong disappointment in Mouw, calling him an anti-Mormon, when he made an appearance in a Book of Abraham video produced by IIR.

Little does Mouw know, that those people who have this "war" mentality are the very same people he is trying to reach out to. It isn't just the Evangelicals who enjoy such arrogance. Dan is clearly the old guard "choose ye this day" type apologist who goes out of his way to generalize about anti-Mormons and frequently, and knowingly misrepresents them.
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Daniel C. Peterson - The Perils Of Socialcam
Monday, Jun 4, 2012, at 07:39 AM
Original Author(s): Doctor Scratch
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
I received an intriguing PM earlier this afternoon. "I have something that you might find interesting," this person told me. A couple of small arrangements were made, and a remarkable screencap came into my possession. Now, I debated for a while on whether or not it would be a good idea to post this. Ultimately, I decided that there were several reasons why posting would be worthwhile. First of all, this will hopefully warn other people about the potential problems associated with using the Socialcam Facebook app. Secondly, I'm hoping this will serve as an opportunity for the FAIR Mopologists to rethink their use of people's Facebook material in their FAIR Wiki articles. (I'm looking at you, Trevor Holyoak.) Third, RayAgostini has been calling for more "humanization" of the Mopologists. Fourth, this may provide deeper inside into the Mopologist mindset.

In any case, this was the screencap I was sent:


Now, my first reaction was to chuckle. After I wiped away the tears of mirth, though, I began to doubt the authenticity of this image. Surely this was just somebody have a bit of fun with Photoshop. (This in spite of the utmost reliability of this informant.) Just as I was ready to shrug the entire thing off, however, another PM appeared in my InBox:

Dr. Peterson:
I've just learned something new. "Socialcam,"of which I'd never before heard, announces on facebook if you've watched something on it. I got a facebook notice earlier today that a friend had watched something that seemed . . . er, questionable. Surprised that he would watch it, but REALLY surprised that he would (as I thought) choose to ANNOUNCE that he had watched it, I watched it, too, to see if there was something funny or significant in it that would lead him to want to announce it to all of his facebook friends. (There wasn't.) And now I find that I'VE seemingly chosen to announce that I watched the same thing -- which, at least, helps me to understand what happened to my friend (but is, otherwise, slightly embarrassing and quite irritating). My apologies. I've got lots of shortcomings, but this kind of stuff isn't among them.
Aha! So that's it. He wasn't just watching a salaciously-titled video of Jennifer Lopez all the way through to the end out of his own prurient interest (and hey: Ms. Jennifer Lopez is, after all, a lovely woman)--no, he was actually looking out for some mysterious "friend". Well, now, Dr. Peterson: there's no shame in watching videos like this! Then again, I'm sure all of us can understand why you might not want to announce to all of the world that you were watching a video about J.Lo and "boners." (Even if it was just out of curiosity/concern for your friend--sort of like those TBMs who claim to be looking at porn for the sake of "research.") What I can't quite wrap my head around is what he expected to find "funny or significant" in the film: did he expect it to conclude with some kind of edifying gospel message? And I suppose the unanswered question here is: Who was the "friend"? Will Schryver? It sort of makes you wonder if the L-Skinny crew is sharing videos like this on a routine basis.

Regardless, let this serve as a fair warning to those who are using the Socialcam app!
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Peterson Exacts Revenge For Dehlin Hit Piece Humiliation
Monday, Jun 11, 2012, at 08:22 AM
Original Author(s): Simon Southerton
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/76...

Against the backdrop of the Book of Mormon story of Alma and the sons of Mosiah, Peterson tells those who can't think for themselves how to recognize (cough, John) modern day (cough, Delin, cough ) Korihors.

"Unwilling hearts do not, cannot, fully understand the divine."

"The real problem with these dissenters, however, wasn't merely that they disbelieved. It was that they sought to lead others into disbelief, as well, and into lifestyles contrary to the commandments of God."

"One of the recurring themes of the Book of Mormon in depicting prominent opponents of the prophets is their eloquence, their ability to influence and even manipulate others by the power of their language."

"Among this new generation of enemies of the church, unfortunately, were some of the best and the brightest, from the elite class of the most privileged"

"Beneficiaries, presumably, of the best education available – it would have been, in the nature of Nephite society, a religious education based, to some extent at least, on the scriptures – and the sons of prophets and seers, these men were entirely clear about what they were doing: "They were going about rebelling against God"

"This wasn't just a falling or a drifting away. It was a knowing, conscious revolt. But it was also clandestine, surreptitious, sneaky. It's very doubtful, though, that they would have openly admitted that their goal was "to destroy the church." Perhaps they wouldn't even have admitted it to themselves."

"No doubt they felt that what they were doing was right. They may have rationalized the fact that their "flattering words" opened the door to "iniquities" forbidden by the faith of their fathers as merely a coincidental, liberating side benefit."

"Do we know, though, how to recognize their modern counterparts? And, please, don't doubt that they exist. "

Just coincidence? Not a chance.
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Daniel Peterson: The Phrase "Hoisted With His Own Petard" Comes To Mind
Monday, Jun 11, 2012, at 08:31 AM
Original Author(s): Just A Thought
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Denial Peterson exacts revenge for Dehlin hit piece humiliation?

The phrase "hoisted with his own petard" comes to mind.

Peterson and Midgely's tendency for paranoia, revenge and conspiracy will eventually lead them to a logical destination anyway.

It may have been a more strategic move for John to let them publish the hit piece. Give them a gentle push off the cliff, since that is the direction DCP/Midgely they want to go anyway.

So let them self-detonate. Once they cross a line, no one at church HQ is going to return their calls. That line is bad publicity, which impacts missionary work, which impacts the bottomline. And cash flow is what the church really cares about in the end.

Prof Bott? Never heard of him. Prof Steven Jones? Doesn't work for us.

It's not going to be easy finding another academic job in your late 50's with second rate LDS hit man on your resume.
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Daniel C. Peterson Responds To Getting "Fired" From The Review
Monday, Jun 18, 2012, at 09:42 PM
Original Author(s): Doctor Scratch
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Again, I don't know 100% that this is authentic, but if it's not, someone is doing a startlingly precise immitation of DCP:

In any case, here is DCP's reply to Bradford:
From: Daniel Peterson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 3:18 PM
To: <[M. Gerald Bradford] xxx@xxx.xxx> [18 other recipients, redacted for privacy]
Subject: Re: Charting a new course

Dr. Bradford:

You've achieved your goal. I resign.

I resign as Director of Advancement, effective immediately. You've already fired me as editor of the Mormon Studies Review.

My wife predicted that you would pull this while I was out of the country -- just as you used my absence last year to suppress Will Schryver's writing without discussion -- and, in fact, you have.

I realize now, too, that you've been plotting this for some time, and that, naïve fool that I am, I didn't even realize that I was playing chess before I had been checkmated.

There is nothing you can do to prevent this from being an absolutely spectacular propaganda triumph for those who oppose the Institute and despise me, so don't bother trying. As a matter of fact -- since the Institute leaks like a sieve -- I had already read today (on an apostate message board) that there was soon to be a shake-up in the editorial leadership of the Review. They know about it, and they're going to feast on this for years to come.

The timing of my dismissal, coming immediately after my public crucifixion over the John Dehlin debacle, guarantees that it will be read as an institutional rebuke of me and all my works. You could have waited a bit so that that conclusion would be less apparent, but, of course, you haven't. Frankly, I'm not surprised.

With my sacking now, and with what I presume to be the simultaneous dismissal of Lou Midgley and George Mitton and my other associate editors, which follows the utter marginalization of the scholars who once made up the board of directors and the complete ostracism of Jack Welch and, most recently, the re-alienation of Bill Hamblin, the process of driving away those who committed so much of their energy to the creation and building of FARMS and the Maxwell Institute continues apace.

You think it healthy. I do not.

And let's not pretend that the delay in this issue of the Review, or the slowness with which recent issues have appeared, is the justification for this move. You've never raised the matter with me before. In fact, your own actions have significantly contributed to the delay of this most recent issue. (It's substantially complete, though, and the Institute owes my associate editors the proper fees for their services. It's no fault of theirs that you're spiking this issue.)

I regard this as an utterly wrong-headed and disastrous decision, and will not pretend to support it. And not merely because it will subject me to enormous and quite undeserved public humiliation. It's a betrayal of Elder Maxwell, who explicitly approved of what we were doing. "No more uncontested slam dunks," he said. But now we're returning to the status quo ante, under which there were and will continue to be plenty of "uncontested slam dunks." It's a brazen repudiation of the mandate given to us by President Packer, who, when he spoke at the dinner during which we were officially entrusted with Elder Maxwell's name, praised two specific aspects of the Institute's work: the Middle Eastern Texts Initiative and its apologetic efforts. It's a betrayal of the promises we made to our leading donors, who explicitly asked us to do apologetics and, in some substantial recent cases, gave us major donations based on our assurance that we would continue to do so.

You place me in an extraordinarily difficult situation, as I'm supposed to be an advocate for a Maxwell Institute that, in my view, will soon no longer exist, and to maintain good relations with donors to the Institute to whom, in my opinion, we will now prove to have flatly lied. I cannot do that. I don't know what to do about the forthcoming Development Council Turkey trip that I conceived, since several of the people who are slated to participate in it are going, at least partially, because I persuaded them to do so.

I feel obliged to try to make it a good trip and to go, but it will, I think, be my last effort on behalf of the Maxwell Institute, and I won't solicit a nickel more for the Institute from any donors. Given their interests, I think their money should go elsewhere. And, though I won't be so disloyal as to solicit funds from them for anything else during the trip to Turkey, I will feel entirely free to do so thereafter. And I'll be vocal about why I no longer regard the Maxwell Institute as an appropriate recipient of their money. I will explain my resignation, and my reasons for it, in a note to members of the Development Council after the conclusion of the Turkey trip but prior to the October PLC meeting. I do not feel that I can do otherwise and maintain my integrity. I've built up a good relationship with the members of the Smith Family Foundation; good luck in maintaining that.

I agreed to give a private tour to the Holy Land -- the trip that I'm currently on -- partially in the hope of interesting a PLC donor in giving to the Maxwell Institute. We're getting along well, but I'm not going to mention the Institute to him any more. Nursing and Athletics are perfectly adequate continuing recipients of his gifts. And I think I can safely predict that, even without my saying much, you will, with my dismissal, instantly lose one very specific annual donation.

Please note that I have not resigned as editor in chief of METI. I will not let you have that so easily. I founded it. It was entirely my idea. I brought it into the Institute. You'll have to explicitly fire me from that position in order to get rid of me altogether. And I won't take it lightly when you do.

I understand that some contract issues may be affected by my resignation as Director of Advancement. I trust that we can work those out in a civil manner. Pending my dismissal from METI, I will insist that I continue to be compensated as a director in my role, which I will now have more time for, as its editor in chief. I also expect my usual fee as editor of the issue of the Mormon Studies Review that you've killed. It was finished and ready to go.

Very seriously yours,

Daniel C. Peterson
Tiberias, Israel
I think it's important that people see this. For one thing, it shows that folks like John Dehlin have been vindicated--even DCP realizes this, and the whole email just demonstrates how "war like" his real mindset actually is. Bradford's message was very polite, and his new plans included Dan continuing to serve in an advisory capacity.

Further, Dan said over and over again that my informants were "bogus," and yet here he openly admits that the Maxwell Institute "leaks like a sieve." Now, I don't think that every last bit of intel I was given was legitimate, but it does mean that he was lying to me when he said I was "getting played."

But there are a lot of remarkable details here, including the bit about Schryver getting shot down while Dan was out of the country. Isn't it ironic that all of DCP's extensive traveling came back to bite him in the butt like this?
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Further Light And Knowledge On Daniel C. Peterson And FARMS/NWI
Thursday, Jun 21, 2012, at 09:54 AM
Original Author(s): Simon Southerton
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Perhaps this will convince the doubters that there has been a disturbance in the force...at FARMS. (I just noticed that this has already been posted in Dr Shades thread)

Posted Today, 09:24 PM by Bill Hamblin:
There have been a lot of rumors floating around the internet recently regarding a scandal brewing at the Maxwell Institute. In order to provide a reality check and quell some of the more wild and brazen speculations of apostates and anti-Mormons on the fringes of Mormondom, I’ll provide the following summary of my understanding of the situation. Some of the details may not be completely accurate, but I have original memos or eye-witness oral sources for almost all of this information.

Last week, Gerald Bradford (bradfordmg@aol.com, 801-422-8619) Executive Director of the Maxwell Institute (maxwell_institute@byu.edu, 801-422-9229), dismissed Dan Peterson (daniel_peterson@byu.edu)--arguably the most prominent contemporary LDS apologist--as editor of the Mormon Studies Review, where he has served for twenty-three years.

This is the culmination of a long-term struggle between radically different visions for the future of the Institute. Peterson wishes to continue the traditional heritage of FARMS, providing cutting edge scholarship and apologetics on LDS scripture. Bradford wants to move the Institute in a different direction, focusing on more secular-style studies that will be accessible and acceptable to non-Mormon scholars. Bradford is especially opposed to LDS apologetics, which he wants to terminate entirely as part of the mission of the Institute. He feels apologetics should be done by FAIR (The Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research http://www.fairlds.org/ ) or other groups.

Throughout the past two years Bradford has censored several articles that Dan planned to publish, thereby delaying publication of theReview. Bradford finally concluded that he refuses to publish the most recent issue of the Review, which has been essentially ready to go to press for six months. He plans to seek a new editor for the Review to move it in the entirely new direction he envisions.

After Dan was fired as editor, he said that he felt he could no longer serve the Institute in good faith as Director of Advancement (i.e. fund-raiser), since the Institute was intentionally abandoning its original mission, and Dan did not support the new direction Bradford was taking the Institute. Dan was then threatened with further possible action against him to try to force him to continue raising money for the Institute that abandoned him. It’s worth noting that Bradford fired Dan by email while Dan was on a multi-week journey in the Middle East--in part raising funds for the Institute--specifically so Dan could not be in Provo to defend himself.

This event concludes a nearly decade-long struggle for the soul of FARMS and the Institute. The contemporary Maxwell Institute is something quite different from the FARMS of ten years ago. (Note that only one of the five “directors” of the current Institute is actually involved in Book of Mormon Studies: http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/about/administration.php). Astute observers will note that there has been a steady decline in both quantity and quality of Institute publications over the past few years. (Indeed, more cutting-edge books on the Book of Mormon have being published in the past few years by Kofford Books, Salt Press, and even Oxford University Press than by the Institute.) They may also observe that most of the original core of FARMS scholars from a decade ago, including me, have nearly ceased publishing with the Institute, having been systematically marginalized, alienated, or ostracized by the Institute as it tried transform itself to conform with this new vision. Needless to say, most of the original FARMS scholars have been dismayed by this inexorable movement to remake the Maxwell Institute.

I have had no desire or inclination to publicly comment on this situation. However, this situation became public when an employee at the Maxwell Institute secretly leaked confidential memos concerning Dan’s firing to anti-Mormon apostates, who have posted these memos on the web, and have been gleefully slandering and ridiculing Dan on their message boards ever since. Since the situation has been made public by this leak from within the Maxwell Institute itself, I felt that Dan deserved the benefit of a fair public summary of the real situation. I also felt that interested Latter-day Saints, especially long-time supporters of the original mission of FARMS, deserved a more complete assessment of the situation, rather than being forced to rely on anti-Mormon and apostate slander and speculation. I felt Dan deserved better, much better than this.

The Institute, for its part, has gone into full damage-control and stonewall mode, refusing to make a public announcement, or even to answer emails or phone calls on the subject from their bewildered subscribers and donors who have heard rumors of the affair, many of whom have for years donated money to the Institute specifically to facilitate Book of Mormon studies and apologetic efforts such as the Mormon Studies Review.

I’m posting this summary of my understanding of the situation to alleviate further slander of Dan by apostates. Dan did not ask me to do this. I alone am responsible for this memo.

I'm sure Dan would appreciate any expressions of sympathy and support that could be emailed to him at: daniel_peterson@byu.edu (Anti-Mormons and apostates, please b****r off.) Adieu, Adieu!
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/5...

https://mormonscriptureexplorations.w... So in conclusion:

DCP has been fired.

DCP has been a problem to the Maxwell Institute for a decade.

DCP's style of apologetics is not what the Maxwell Institute (and by extension the Church) wants.

DCP was not saved by a GA the way that Dehlin was saved.

Anti Mormon apostates on this board are of the same opinion as the Maxwell Institute in terms of DCP's apologetics.
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Dan Peterson's Poor Judge of Character: Redux
Thursday, Jun 21, 2012, at 10:06 AM
Original Author(s): Kevin Graham
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Last year I challenged Daniel to rebuke Schryver's antics over at the MAD forum:
You won't even condemn the actions of Will Schryver, whose behavior was so abhorrent that the authorities at the Maxwell Institute threw him off their publication schedule because they wanted nothing to do with him or his antics
Dan responds with a perfect exhibition of denial:
I think Will Schryver has been unjustly demonized. - Aug 20, 2011

I'm aware of no real evidence for misogyny on his part - Aug 13, 2011
In case you're wondering whether Dan had actually seen the mountain of evidence proving William's bigotry towards women, Dan made it clear that he had read through the thread posted by MsJack, documenting William's long history of disgusting remarks. (See http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/v...)
Perhaps I wasn't clear enough.

I've seen no serious evidence that Will Schryver is a misogynist.

I'll repeat that: I've seen no serious evidence that Will Schryver is a misogynist.

None.

Perhaps you folks should reprise a few hundred of the posts that were devoted to that endlessly fascinating subject here a few months back. They didn't convince me then, and they probably won't convince me now - Aug 13, 2011
I remember specifically predicting this would eventually come back to haunt him, Pahoran, and the others who refused to denounce Schryver's despicable antics. In hindsight, it really isn't surprising that the powers that be came to the realization that Dan Peterson was more of a liability than an asset.

Incidentally, this is the same guy who has for years tried to label me a bigot for simply stating facts about Mormon and Islamic doctrines. Of course, his argument is that it doesn't really matter what William Schryver says on the internet and it doesn't really matter how horrible his comments are, because according to Dan, he met Schryver's wife and daughter and he saw no evidence of "abuse." So that means Schryver must have been "unjustifiably demonized" by the rest of us. This is like saying a child molester mustn't be a child molester if he doesn't molest his own kids.

According to Dan Peterson's logic, calling a woman a C---T or accusing apostates of engaging in sodomistic orgies, is perfectly fine and shouldn't bear on the question of whether or not an organization named after a Mormon apostle should publish him.

But at the same time, folks like me, MsJack, Brent Metcalfe, Mike Reed, and a number of other internet personalities, must be maligned or ignored simply because of their disagreements with his views.

This is the same guy who attacked me for calling Wells Jakeman an idiot. Once you understand what a whack-job pseudo-scholar Jakeman was, and how Dan Peterson likened him to Einstein, suddenly it doesn't come as a surprise that he has decided to bond with William Schryver. This is the same guy who considers despicable characters like Lou Midgley, close friends.
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Daniel C. Peterson: The Myth, The Man, The Legend Changes His Topic!
Monday, Jul 2, 2012, at 06:35 PM
Original Author(s): Elder Berry
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeter...

"A narrative has been woven about me long since, in certain circles, portraying me as a virtual monster of extreme, violent, mean-spirited, heartless, unscrupulous, take-no-prisoners polemics. This portrayal is, and always has been, false. And I won’t stand silently by while this latest bogus example of unethical viciousness is attached to my legend."

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeter...

I guess he has some explaining to do for his fans.

One wonders what "certain circles" Dan is speaking of? I gather these are the folk of the fringe like Dehlin? Or perchance ex-Mormons?

At any rate, I guess Dan needs to set the record straight and attempt to protect his "legend."

Wow! Anyone who needs they need to do this is someone I never want to meet in person. Their sense of self-importance would drive me crazy.

Also seems like Dan is a bit of a drama queen.
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Dan Peterson's Stock Goes Down Again
Monday, Jul 30, 2012, at 07:48 AM
Original Author(s): Kevin Graham
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
After reading Scratch's remarks about Dan Peterson's blog becoming a propaganda arm for the Right Wing, I decided to take a quick look at what the good doctor has been ranting about lately. To my astonishment, Professor Peterson has expressed outrage over President Obama's remarks in a speech given recently in Roanoke Virginia. Here is what Dan had to say yesterday:
Every once in a while, Barack Obama lets something slip (e.g., during his previous presidential campaign, his comment to “Joe the Plumber” about redistributing the wealth and his dismissive remark to elite donors about how the common folk in western Pennsylvania “cling to their guns and religion”) that grants us a glimpse into his genuine core socio-political beliefs.

One of the clearest views offered by the current campaign has come with his now notorious “you didn’t build that” remark, made on 13 July in Roanoke, Virginia.

Here’s a heartfelt video response from a small businessman:

http://www.mittromney.com/embed/video...

Several more such responses are available here:

http://www.mittromney.com/videos

And here’s some good commentary from Kim Strassel, at the Wall Street Journal:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000...

Conservatives like myself are acutely aware that personal success relies on a complex network of values and habits inculcated by family and faith, on solid education, on a socio-economic and political system that permits it. I wasn’t all that offended by Hilary Clinton’s famous book title, It Takes a Village, which is said to come from an African proverb declaring that “it takes a village to raise a child.” That proverb seems to me true, in a sense. My parents and my brother were crucial in my upbringing. They played an incalculably huge role in making me, for good or for ill, what I am today. And so too, to a lesser but still significant extent, did a wonderful scoutmaster, an inspiring high school German teacher, the elementary school psychologist who saw to it that I skipped a grade, a handful of influential university professors, a number of pivotal authors, some neighbors, and so on and so forth.

But it’s a giant and unjustifiable leap from acknowledging that “no man is an island, entire of himself,” to paying homage to The State as the author of all, most, or even a substantial portion of what I have and am.

I will not do so.

I am not a slave.

I am not a serf.

Mr. Obama is not my benevolent Great White Father, as presidents used to be portrayed to American Indians back in the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries. (And, to forestall the obvious comment, neither is he my Great Black Father, or whatever, for the sake of strict accuracy, I would have to call him.) Moreover, one has to say, to the extent that those early Indians trusted in the benevolent care of the Great White Father, look what it got them.

I’m a free man in a Republic. Not a ward of The State. Not a child to be decided for by a purportedly omnicompetent government – which, anyway, hasn’t been doing such a good job with its own proper responsibilities that it should feel justified in attempting to relieve me of mine.

Addendum: Some have claimed that, along with others, I’ve taken Mr. Obama’s words out of context. But have a look at this and then try to tell me with a straight face that he wasn’t disrespecting those who’ve built successful businesses through hard work and ability.
So Dan provides a bunch of links from Romney's website that interviews a bunch of disgruntled business owners who have a completely ignorant understanding of what Preisdent Obama actually said. Are we supposed to be convinced by emotion here? Where is the context of the President's remarks?

Of course Dan's addendum notes that "some" have claimed this remark has been taken out of context, and to disabuse us of that notion he provides us with a link to the Brietbart website. A website started up by Andrew Brietbart, a man who was notorious for editing videos to deceive the public, and even though Brietbart was exposed quite some time ago as an uneducated charlatan who engages in unwarranted smear campaigns, Daniel Peterson still feels this is the best source to go to in order to properly answer the question about context.

So, is there anything at Dan's suggested link that would explain for us how context doesn't help Obama's claim?

Strangely enough, no.

Instead, we get a video clip of 56 seconds from that speech which must have lasted at least 10-15 minutes. The edited video clip doesn't even provide the contextualizing comment immediately preceding the remark that has Right Wingers in such a pedantic frenzy!

For those who are really interested in what the President actually said in context, the entire transcript is easily accesible. So according to Dan Peterson - who merely mimicks what the Right Wing media is propagating as of late - The President was "mocking" business owners, informing them that they didn't build their own business. It was a Freudian slip of course, so Obama's subsequent claim that he was taken out of context, must be nothing more than a lie. Apparently, Daniel Peterson, the charitable and reasonable fellow as he so often portrayed, doesn't think it is worth checking context before passing judgment in this manner.

Of course, anyone remotely familiar with Obama's views, and especially this particular speech, would know that he does credit business owners for their own hard work. In fact that is precisely what he said just moments earlier in this very same speech. For example,
Our goal isn’t just to put people back to work -- although that’s priority number one -- it is to build an economy where that work pays off. An economy where everyone, whether you are starting a business or punching a clock, can see your hard work and responsibility rewarded.
And so what about the immediate context of the "you didn't build that" remark? Here is what the President said (and please take note of the "government should control you and everything else" philosophy Dan loves to attribute to Obama)
I’ve got a different idea. I do believe we can cut -- we’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently. (Applause.) Not every government program works the way it’s supposed to. And frankly, government can’t solve every problem. If somebody doesn’t want to be helped, government can’t always help them. Parents -- we can put more money into schools, but if your kids don’t want to learn it’s hard to teach them. (Applause.)

But you know what, I’m not going to see us gut the investments that grow our economy to give tax breaks to me or Mr. Romney or folks who don’t need them. So I’m going to reduce the deficit in a balanced way. We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more. (Applause.) And, by the way, we’ve tried that before -- a guy named Bill Clinton did it. We created 23 million new jobs, turned a deficit into a surplus, and rich people did just fine. We created a lot of millionaires. There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t --
At this point it should be easy to see what led to Obama's follow up remarks:
... look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.)
Drum roll please ..........
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.
The President goes on to emphasize his point, which Dan and his Right Wing sources ignored:
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
Of course, all the Right Wing blogs and News outlets, from Breitbart to FOX News, still refuse to cite the sentence "Somebody invested in roads and bridges," and the other two comments I hi-lighted, which contradict what Dan and his mob are insisting Obama said.

The intention of the President's speech should have been perfectly clear to any intelligent, honest human being not driven by ideological agenda. Dan effectively misrepresents Obama's comments in the same exact way FOX News and Rush Limbaugh have, and at no point did he feel it was necessry to read, let alone provide the context, even though he was perfectly aware that there was a dispute about the context. One that has been settled everywhere outside the Right Wing propaganda mill.

We used to think Dan was this mastermind puppeteer of some sort, but I think we all gave him way too much credit for far too long. His comments and actions over the past year have proven truly interesting and revealing, as he appears void of original thought to any degree. In apologetics, he merely borrows from others and spices their arguments with carefully crafted rhetoric. The same is true with his politics and his role as an agent of disinformation.

He is far more ignorant and naïve than I ever imagined, and perhaps more importantly, his hypocrisy has taken on a life of its own, as he is clearly disinterested in holding to standards of intellectuaal rigor that he demands of his critics. You know, things like how you should always present both sides of an argument if you're truly honest (anti-Mormons must include every apologetic rebuttal known to man when presenting their criticisms, otherwise they're just presenting their arguments as if they've gon unchallenged), you should never pass judgment based on weak or incomplete evidence (i.e. virtually every issue thaat proves the Church is false. No matter how much evidence is against it, Dan thinks it bigotry to pass judgment until "all facts are known.") You should always be charitable in your analyses, because it reflects on your character and your spiritual state, etc. To put his hypocrisy into perspective, I once mentioned that the founder of Islam condoned the raping of women and the taking of slaves.In response, Dan called me a bigot and said he could no longer speak with me because he felt my spiritual state had declined beyond repair. All from this one remark.

Dan has thrown his standard of discourse to the wind, despite having preached it for two decades now. It should be no wonder he has been migrating to online venues where feedback is not allowed. He doesn't allow comments on his blog posts and he only posts on forums like MAD, where he knows the moderators will instantly ban anyone who holds him accountable for his bigoted rantings. He wants to be able to lecture without feedback because he doesn't have the intellectual courage to see his views and his methods challenged in the court of public opinion. And his affinity for bigots like William Schryver and now Andrew Brietbart, provide us with far more information about Dan Peterson's character, than this four word phrase could ever tell us about the character of President Obama.
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Daniel C. Peterson's First "MI" Article Is A Flop
Tuesday, Oct 2, 2012, at 07:41 AM
Original Author(s): Doctor Scratch
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Dr. Peterson has finally--some two months after the "launch" of this latest Mopologetic venture--plopped out something resembling an "article" for the MI. As he notes at one point:
There can be no question that scholars, and especially reviewers, who seek to be and behave as Christians, walk a very difficult line. And this is particularly true when the issues at stake involve religion, contentious, disputed matters of ultimate [Page viii]concern and value. Such writers must be fair, and they must not be abusive. But they must tell the truth. And sometimes the truth is that evidence has been deliberately or inadvertently misused or misrepresented, that an argument is invalid, that a thesis doesn't hold water, that an agenda is misguided, that something is poorly written. And, if a reviewer is committed to seeking and telling the truth, such things must be pointed out where they seem to occur.
I can tell you that I'm very much "committed to seeking and telling the truth," dear readers, and so, with great sadness, I must inform you that Dr. Peterson's article is a rambling mess. Yes, it's true: the piece is "poorly written."

Intriguingly enough (and humorously), the "editorial" (or whatever this is supposed to be) is called, "Charity in Defending the Kingdom" (I kid you not):

http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/charit ... e-kingdom/

The article begins nicely enough, with Dr. Peterson asserting that "charity" is needed to protect the Saints from the "jarring" aspects of Church history, and he spends the next several paragraphs explaining how important it is to extend forgiveness to others. Terrific, right?

It turns out, however, that this really isn't about the Universal Principle of Forgiveness. On page iv, DCP clarifies what he's actually been talking about:
It would be unrealistic, though, to expect indulgent charity toward our foibles and flaws from all those outside the church. Some will grant it, surely. But some-and particularly those residing in the "great and spacious building" of Lehi's vision (1 Nephi 8:26-28)-will certainly not.
Ah. So it's not about extending "forgiveness" to, say, Church critics, or even to one's fellow Saints. Instead, his entire premise appears to be trained on Church history itself: you must forgive, e.g., Joseph Smith for his various indiscretions. You must forgive Elder Packer for his homophobic remarks.

It's at this point that the essay takes an incredibly bizarre turn, as Prof. P. reminisces on yet another of the many injustices that have rained down upon his head:
Sometime in the Fall of 1974, I read an article in the Georgetown University newspaper about the open house for the newly built Washington D.C. Temple. I particularly remember its mockery of the temple's new president, a retired Singer Corporation executive whose hand the author had shaken during a press reception. It was a hand, the article sneered, that had undoubtedly demonstrated and sold many sewing machines in its time.
Oh, come on! This was an innocent enough joke. Why the outrage? Why the indignation? In the next passage, Dr. Peterson can scarcely disguise his out-of-control disgust:
Georgetown is a Catholic school, and I recall wondering whether the article would have been as contemptuous toward Peter, whom Catholics revere as the first pope but whose hands had, undoubtedly, mended and cast a great many fishing nets in [Page v]his earlier years. Or, even, toward Jesus himself, whose youthful hands, we're told, were busy in his father's workshop.

Ironically, such smug elitism would have been quite congenial to those who eventually killed Jesus.
He goes on to rail against "secular critics" and "elite criticism," and even includes this remarkably bizarre diss of Plato:
Another point of elite criticism focuses on Mormonism's simple teachings, sometimes dismissed as shallow, and the absence of trained theologians among its lay leaders. Listen again, however, to Peter Brown on ancient Christianity:

"Already, some writers looked down from the high battlements of their classical culture at the obscure world pressing in upon them." Yet the second-century physician and philosopher Galen "noticed that the Christians were apparently enabled by their brutally simple parables and commands to live according to the highest maxims of ancient ethics. The Christian Apologists boasted of just this achievement. Plato, they said, had served good food with fancy dressings, but the Apostles cooked for the masses in a wholesome soup-kitchen!"12
I'm sure you can imagine my aghast reaction to this: Huh??? What, I'm forced to ask, as I adjust my monocle, does any of this have to do with "charity"? Has Dr. Peterson lost his ability to stay on topic?

Well, we find out soon enough that none of this matters, since the entire preceding verbiage has been a pretext for this:
But now, with all this in mind, is there any place in the Kingdom for such a publication as Interpreter?

Emphatically yes!
DCP notes that the Mopologists were ordered by General Authorities to "never...forget "the Relief Society sister in Parowan."" Is he referring to Chapel Mormons here? Or, instead, did the Mopologists interpret this to mean that Relief Society sisters in Parowan would be interested in 100-page hit pieces on John Dehlin, or long email exchanges with teenagers posted to SHIELDS? Clearly, there was a failure to communicate clearly here. Indeed, the now-deposed FARMS leadership seems to have been seriously misguided:
Interpreter has been founded, at least in part, to ensure that that principle, of caring not merely for professional scholars and academic libraries but for ordinary Latter-day Saints and for religiously-interested outsiders, continues to be honored. Though we hope to adhere to high academic standards, we will not forget our wider audience.

How, one wonders, will they aim to accomplish this? By "dumbing down" their attacks?

Ultimately, it doesn't seem to matter, as the Editor in Chief goes on to make a bold pledge:
I was very proud of the FARMS Review and the Mormon Studies Review.

And Interpreter: A Journal of Mormon Scripture is going to be even better. As is plainly evident from this first volume, it has established a high standard for itself. We pledge that we will maintain that standard.
So, there you have it: an article that's about charity, and about how Mopologists can expect Charity from Christians, or from "elites" of Plato's ilk, and that the MI will carry out this mission of charity by writing articles suitable for Relief Society sisters in Parowan (who apparently want to read about C.L. Hansen's sexual exploits at BYU), and by continuing to do apologetics and to write reviews that will continue to be praised "for telling the truth as its authors perceived the truth to be."

I have to admit that I was blown away by this remark:
I can report that, in my sincere and serious judgment, those who wrote for [FARMS] did a very good job, through nearly a quarter of a century, of maintaining fairness and charity.
Whoa! "Metcalfe is Butthead" is the maintenance of charity? Citing authors so anti-semitic that they were kicked off the faculty of Notre Dame is maintenence of charity? Claims like this make you wonder if whatever plagued Louis "Woody" Midgley's article is contagious.

In any event, as the Emeritus B.H. Roberts Chair of Mopologetic Studies at Cassius University, I can't help but view this article along the continuum of Mopologetic history writ-large. So, you can imagine my surprise when I read this, in the comments section:

Daniel Peterson wrote:
T., actually, the essay was written before the recent unpleasantness at the Maxwell Institute.
And yet, magically, it refers to events--like the founding of the MI--that occurred after the "unpleasantness at the Maxwell Institute"! Stunning! Perhaps Dr. Peterson's overflowing charity has imbued him with the ability to tell the future?

In all seriousness, this admission, I'm afraid to say, only underscores how sloppy of a job DCP has done with this article. It reads like a pastiche: a jumble of random thoughts. It's as if DCP was feeling guilty about Mopologetics one day and thus felt obliged to write about charity, though when he was at last able to return to the editorial, he had once again begun to dwell on the many injustices and humiliations heaped on him by Plato-like "elites," who've apparently made fun of him for being a Mormon. And then, finally, he picked it back up to "spruce it up" for the MI--hence the hardcore promotion and enthusiastic endorsement for this new venture.

It's all just baffling: the piece is every bit as bad as Midlgey's was--it may very well be the most poorly structured/written thing that Dr. Peterson has ever "published." While he (thankfully) sidestepped the nastiness in Midgley's article, this editorial is nonetheless quite a flop. (Note: you don't need to put a closing set of quotation marks at the end of a paragraph if you're going to pick up that same quotation in the following paragraph.)

You can't help but wonder, more and more, if these guys are asleep at the wheel.

In any case: that's my "review." I've sought to maintain high standards of fairness and charity here, and I hope I've succeeded.
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How Much Was Daniel Peterson Paid To Edit The "Review"?
Monday, Oct 29, 2012, at 07:32 AM
Original Author(s): Doctor Scratch
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
One of the most fascinating revelations to surface in the Maxwell Institute shake-up was the fact that Daniel C. Peterson had been lying for years about whether or not he got paid to do Mopologetics. I know that there were several threads here on MDB that discussed precisely this topic, in which DCP himself participated, and in which he repeatedly denied getting any monetary compensation for his work on the FARMS Review. Either that, or he would insist that it was some "miniscule" amount. Well, we now know for certain that he was paid. The question remains: How much did he typically make?

It turns out that we may now have an answer. In an effort to drum up donations, the team at Mormon Interpreter have included links to their monthly expenses:

http://www.mormoninterpreter.com/expe...

This is indeed a fascinating document. We learn, for example, that they paid nearly $500 dollars just to rent out a "conference room." (For what purpose?) It also shows that they were apparently dropping some serious coin in order to ensure that the Sept. "Conference" guests were well-lubricated with nearly 50 dollars-worth of water.

But the most jaw-dropping figures on the account sheet are directly related to the question I posed at the outset. What were the typical "fees" for the editing and administrative duties back at the old, classic-FARMS MI? What did DCP & Co. consider a reasonable fee to be? Get a load of this:
Time Donations (estimated cash equivalent)
Administrative 80 hours x $50 $4000
Editing 20 hours x $50 $1000
Technology and Media 110 hours x $50 $5500
Holy smokes! $50 an hour?? Are these guys editors, or attorneys, for heaven's sake? In fact, the account sheet actually lists Attorney's Fees (pro bono), and these amount to only $1500. I have to admit, I'm aghast at these figures. Did Dan Peterson really intend to compensate himself $5,000 to edit the trainwreck first issue of Mormon Interpreter? (Bear in mind that most of this had already been written--it was merely sitting in the can, as it had been set to appear in an issue of the Mormon Studies Review prior to being shelved by Dr. Bradford.) Think about the shoddy quality of the writing and "scholarship" that plagued that issue. This was supposed to be worth $5,000 in labor costs? Are these guys Mopologists, or shady auto mechanics?

This really makes me wonder how much DCP was being paid during his reign at FARMS, though. If these were the sorts of fees he was demanding, then I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that he was collecting, in any given year, some $20,000 or more for his Mopologetics. On average they published two issues per year. So how many labor hours was he able to bill the Maxwell Institute for? If this is true, it's not just shocking, it's absolutely appalling.
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Apology For Daniel C. Peterson's Racist Blog Post
Wednesday, Jan 23, 2013, at 08:03 AM
Original Author(s): Everybody Wang Chung
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Yet once again, it falls on my shoulders to issue an apology. This time I would like to humbly offer an apology to all African Americans on behalf of Daniel C. Peterson.
Martin Luther King was a seriously flawed man. The plagiarism in his doctoral dissertation, the adulteries, the blurring of his Civil Rights mission and his dalliance with various leftist causes in his latter years - these were and are unfortunate.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeter...

Recently, Daniel C. Peterson posted a blog in which he stated (among other very offensive things) that he felt the government should not interfer with the free market in regards to racism. If we follow Daniel's silly logic to its conclusion, then he was against the Civil War, the Emanipaction Proclamation and the Civil Rights Movement. Highly offensive and insensitive.

Further, to add insult to injury, if we follow Daniel's logic to its conclusion, he would have no problem with slavery because we all know that slavery can make perfect free market sense.

Another poster remarked today, that he wished his Church leaders had stood with Abraham Lincoln or with the Civil Right's leaders of the 1960's. Instead, they have been largely silent. Now, we have to endure Daniel C. Peterson's highly inappropriate blog.

Slavery and racism that African Americans have endured in our country is so evil and immense that it is literally incomprehensible. I deeply apologize for Daniel C. Peterson's offensive remarks on his blog. He represents a dying breed in our Church and certainly doesn't represent the sentiments of the vast majority of LDS.
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Daniel C. Peterson Breaks Church Rules In Pursuit Of Mopologetics
Thursday, Mar 21, 2013, at 07:37 AM
Original Author(s): Mrstakhanovite
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
Here is the evidence-

URL to Dan's post: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/6...

Text of Dan's post:
There's always "Everybody Wang Chung," I suppose. He claims to be a currently serving bishop. He also claimed that his wife surprised him with a tour to Israel this past April/May, led by me. He was, he promised, going to go and to report back to his apostate buddies on all my silly Mopologist antics there. Later, when asked, he claimed to have actually gone, and again, under prodding, promised to provide a chronicle of my ridiculousness while he was with me in the Middle East. So far as I can tell, he's never done so. Finally, just the other day, I got out a list of all of the people who accompanied me on that tour, and I had a friend who is a bishop cross check it against the Church's leadership directory. There were no currently serving bishops on that tour. I suppose Everybody Wang Chung's claim could still somehow be true, but I very much doubt it. It seems far and away most likely that he isn't a currently serving bishop, despite his assertions (he doesn't seem to believe much of anything, and is contemptuous of those who do, often in pretty foul language), and that he didn't go to Israel with me. In other words, if I had to bet, I would bet that he's a fraud.
Screen Shot of Post: http://postimage.org/image/yk9qma3t3/...

Here it is in relevant part, from Section 13.8 entitled "Confidentiality of Records" in Handbook 1 (2010) (emphasis added):

Quote:
The records of the Church are confidential, whether they exist on paper, in computers, or in other electronic media. These include membership records, financial records, notes of meetings, official forms and documents (including records of disciplinary councils), and notes made from private interviews.

Leaders and clerks are to safeguard Church records by handling, storing, and disposing of them in a way that protects the privacy of individuals. Leaders ensure that information that is gathered from members is (1) limited to what the Church requires and (2) used only for approved Church purposes.

Information from Church records and reports may be given only to those who are authorized to use it.

Information that is stored electronically must be kept secure and protected by a password (citation omitted). Leaders ensure that such data is not used for personal, political, or commercial purposes. Information from Church records, including historical information, may not be given to individuals or agencies conducting research or surveys.
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My Public Encounter With Daniel Peterson Over Cartoons On Mormon Underwear
Tuesday, Jul 9, 2013, at 08:50 AM
Original Author(s): Steve Benson
Topic: DANIEL C. PETERSON - SECTION 3   -Guid-
The Association of American Editorial Cartoonists held its annual national convention in Salt Lake City a few days ago. (It's great throwing a cartoonist convention in a town that's full of clowns, most of whom don't know they're clowns. That's what makes our job so much fun).

An interesting panel, entitled "Satire and the Sacred: From Muhammad to Mormon Underwear," was held in an ampitheater at the the Leonardo Museum in downtown SLC, moderated by Pat Bagley, editorial cartoonist for the "Salt Lake Tribune" (Pat and I drew cartoons for BYU's student newspaper, the "Daily Universe," back in the late 1970s).

The panel was open to the public.

One of the invited panelists was Daniel C. Peterson, recently-fired editor at the Maxwell Institute/FARMS and current professor of Islamic Studies at BYU.

During the course of his remarks, Peterson noted (among other things) that several years ago I had made the observation that the job of an editorial cartoonist is to "march down the hill after the battle is over and shoot all the wounded" (Actually, I had first heard that comment made by my then-publisher, to whom I gave credit for the line).

Anyway, Peterson proceeded to launch into an attack on editorial cartoons mocking Mormonism, starting out by showing some published examples from the 19th century.

(*Note: I've gone back into this post and inserted actual quotes from the session, taken from an online and now-available audio broadcast. For those who may be interested, Peterson took many of his showpieces from the book, "The Mormon Graphic Image, 1834-1914: Cartoons, Caricatures, and Illustrations," by Gary L. Bunker and Davis Bitton [Salt Lake City, Utah: University of Utah Press, 1983], 164 pp.)

One cartooned commentary that Peterson apparently regarded as particularly vile was drawn by the famous American illustrator, Thomas Nast. It showed Mormons as "foreign," depicting both the Roman Catholic Church (which Mormons have traditionally viewed as being the latter-day manifestation of the Church of the Devil) and the Mormon Church as ravenous "reptiles" in the form of crocodiles simultaneously attacking the American government, represented as the beseiged dome of U.S. capitol:

http://www.textbookcheck.com/ency/wp-...

Peterson showed another cartoon (published in E.B. Howe's 1834 "Mormomism Unvailed") depicting Joseph Smith as being in league with Satan. Peterson complained that the drawing was "inaccurate in every detail" because Mormons "don't even believe" in the "Lucifer figure" as depicted (winged with horns). Peterson also pointed out that Mormons do not believe (contrary to the cartoon's portrayal) that Satan is accompanied by "little imps all around" (um, Earth to Kolob: It's a cartoon):

http://olivercowdery.com/smithhome/sm...

Peterson showed another cartoon from the same general time period which he said offered further proof of gross historical distortion committed at Mormon expense. It depicted Joseph Smith receiving the Book of Mormon gold plates from an angel who was in the form of winged woman (we wouldn't want to offend all the Mormon menfolk in the audience). And, just as bad, again there were "little imps around."

Peterson showed several other cartoons, then shifted to the 21st century, where he highlighted a cartoon by Pulitzer prize-winner (and friend of mine) David Horsey, which Dave had drawn during the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign. It depicted Obama and Romney sitting on a front porch swing, flanking a woman voter who--addressing a stiff, worried-looking Romney--asks:

"Well, I've FINALLY seen his [Obama's] birth certificate. NOW, Mitt, are you wearing that magic Mormon underwear?"

http://www.trbimg.com/img-502b3cb4/tu...

Peterson complained that the cartoon unacceptably presented Romney as trying to promote his Mormonism when, in reality, Romney "certainly didn't go around dressed in his underwear or trying to talk about his underwear;" but, rather, that Romney's temple underwear was a subject Romney wasn't "trumpeting."

In expressing his objection to this particular cartoon, Peterson admitted that he (Peterson) was "play[ing] the whiny victim card," complaining that cartoonists where trying to "empnasize" an unfair image of Mormons that had been created for Mormons "over previoius years."). Yes, Brother Peterson, you were playing the whiny victim card and doing a damn good job at it.

The presentation eventually went to Q & A, so I stood up, introduced myself to Peterson and noted that because he had quoted my observation about the job of editorial cartoonists in his earlier remarks, I had a question for him.

I asked why he thought it was inappropriate for voters to ask questions about a presidential candidate's personal religious beliefs if, by so doing, voters could get a better understanding on how the candidate's personal religious views might inform the candidate's views on public governance. I suggested to Peterson that voters, in fact, have the right to pose such questions to candidatres and asked him why he would have a problem with that. (At this point, some members of the public in attendance began to applaud)

Since those in the audience asking questions were not miked, Pat Bagley paraphrased my question as follows:

"Because Mitt Romney was a Mormon and Mormonism was such a huge part of his life, we, the public, should know about it, at least"

In response, Peterson insisted that it didn't "bother [him] a bit" that candidates are held to account, but said he found it "kind of funny" that Romney was being criticized for supposedly talking about his LDS garment-wearing when Romney wasn't, in fact, talking about his LDS underwear. Peterson added that even non-Mormons "don't typically go around talking about their underwear a lot in public venues."

I countered that Romney was avoiding questions about his secret LDS temple garments because he (Romney) didn't want to talk about the fact that Masonic emblems are sewn into them.

Here's an artist's rendition of what Romney was trying to dodge:

http://www.google.com/imgres?q=anti-m...

At this point, an audible murmur went up from the audience in response to that remark of mine. Peterson looked down, smiled slightly and muttered:

"Yeah, well, we can talk about that."

Of course, Peterson didn't proceed to talk about "that" (meaning the nuts and bolts of Romney's Mormon-Mason underwear). Instead, he simply referred to the garment question as "the other thing", which he then attempted to blow off as being "pretty silly" and "not relevant."

At that point, I had to leave the session because I was assigned the task of teaching a scheduled one-hour, open-to-the-public class to children in the SLC public library on how to draw editorial cartoons.

Peterson should have left with me and taken that class with those kids. He obviously needs to learn how editorial cartoons work in a free society.

Here's a a link to the audio recording of the panel session in its entirety, as provided by Salt Lake City's FM radio station, KCPW:

http://kcpw.org/blog/documentary-spec...
 
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