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 | Standing Up To The Bullies: A Response To Boyd K. Packer's Talk
Monday, Oct 4, 2010, at 08:30 AM
Original Author(s): Isaac Higham
Topic: BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 2 -Guid- | ↑ | Sometimes there are nights where I wake drenched in sweat, heart pounding, horrified by the dreams that had seconds before been playing out in my mind. These are the nights where I relive my days in high school. These are the nights where I relive the shame, and the embarrassment, I felt over not speaking out–over not standing up for another when they most desperately needed it.
Too many times to count I witnessed those who were brave enough to have come out in high school, or those who simply didn’t seem to fit the mold of their heteronormative gender expectations, be mocked, bullied, and outcast. Oh how badly I wanted to speak up! And oh the shame I felt for staying silent out of cowardice and fear of my big gay secret being found out. I stayed silent. I didn’t stand up to the bullies.
I am silent no longer.
And it is this determination to speak out and stand up to the bullies that drives me to address the talk given by LDS apostle Boyd K. Packer given at general conference this weekend. In his talk Packer made statements that “unnatural” same sex attractions can, and should, be overcome. He spoke of those who support marriage equality through their votes at the ballot box being akin to those who would vote against the existence of gravity.
I have no interest in arguing the absurdity of such things with the leaders of the LDS church. These are smart, accomplished, and for the most part well educated men who know better. No, I do not speak out and respond to argue their beliefs because surely they have the right to believe whatever they please, however disturbing and absurd they may be.
No, I speak out because I know that somewhere in some LDS family room or chapel pew, there sits a little boy or little girl who was just like me. A little one who desires nothing more than to be “worthy” and to have the approval of their church and of their family. I know that somewhere there is a child who, just like a younger me, quivers in fear of eternal damnation and fear of disappointing the family and the church culture they have been raised in because they are gay.
It is for these little ones that I refuse to stay silent.
The message delivered from the LDS pulpit continues to be a message of false hope, of misery, and of death for our LGBT children. LGBT youth are FOUR TIMES more likely to attempt suicide than their peers and they make up somewhere between twenty and forty percent of the homeless youth population–despite making up less than ten percent of the population of youth as a whole.
For twenty years I listened to the message of self loathing preached from LDS authorities. For twenty years I believed in their false hope that I could pray and fast and serve away my sexual orientation and God would then reward me with “righteous” heterosexual desires.
When the change never came, the blame became even more internalized, and I lost hope. But after a thankfully failed attempt to end the misery of this life, I finally found the true peace of my divine identity. I finally realized that all of those years I didn’t change because I didn’t need to. I was the way God intended me to be.
I began speaking out against the message of death that is killing our brothers, sisters, and friends. I began to work fight youth homelessness, youth suicide, and LGBT discrimination in housing and employment. I found new role models beyond the old men in the LDS hierarchy: like Reed Cowan who spends his time and efforts helping others in memory of his son, Dustin Lance Black who brought to life Harvey Milk’s message of hope and shared it with millions of LGBT persons who desperately need it, and hundreds and thousands of other activists fighting for change that is so desperately needed.
If this message should reach one of those precious souls who is somehow struggling and fighting that internal fight know this: there is hope. You are exactly the beautiful creature you were created and intended to be. There is love in this world beyond the message of death–find it.
And if this message becomes nothing more than a prayer in my heart, may the universe take it and share my love, and my hope, to those who in some way or another find themselves “in the thick of things”.
I stand confident of two things:
First, that the blood of the innocents drips from the hands of those who strangle the life and the hope out of them through their bully pulpit.
Second, that in the end I can stand upright and guilt free along side those who worked to make this world a better and safer place for everyone while others will hang their head in shame and weep for the hurt they inflicted on others in the name of self righteous piety.
“I know that you can't live on hope alone, but without it, life is not worth living.”
| I know a lot of people that follow my rantings expected a great big fat "Do anatomically impossible things to yourself Boyd K."
But in reality I can hardly be bothered. It would kind of be like saying to a dead carp at the botton of the pond, "drown you dirty sucker, drown." Packer is all but dead, propped up ala Weekend At Bernie's. Too weak to stand, too gone to form thoughts of any worth, he's just a moribund old man who has to be given some kind of a nod out of deference for the fact that he's outlived a few of his peers. He will soon be gone and the world will be free of yet another bigoted mormon.
One by one they will all pass away and as each one passes the world slowly becomes a better place.
My energy is better invested in the beautiful members of a corridor family who are trying with all of their might to keep a place in their hearts for their son who is gay. They love him and they want him but no one, no one, has told them how to keep him; how to talk to him, how to reach out to him, how to love him inspite of their beliefs. I have been so moved by this family that I can no longer preoccupy myself with the last dying gasps of a bigoted old man whose heart is rotten and done.
One of the most beautiful things I have ever seen in my life is this great big mormon family with all these kids all trying so hard to circle their wagons around their precious son and brother and make sure that he knows that they don't want to lose him. I sometimes wonder if he has any idea how lucky he is.
I sometimes wonder if he has any idea how lucky he is.
I have taken a different path now. By the natural processes of life the old will die and I'm no longer concerned with them. What I see is this big mormon family that is not willing for even a moment to let go of their precious precious son just because he's gay. They are what's new, they are what's real, they are where my time is best invested.
I'm no hero. I'm an activist who has to keep modulating his approach in order to stay viable and relevant. I would really rather put this whole mormon thing to rest and be done with it, finally, but these boys are fragile and someone has to look out for them. I remember how much it hurt. I can't stand the thoughts of someone hurting that much...
| As I thought might happen, the text version of Elder Packer’s controversial talk from conference was changed from the spoken version. There are two (in my view) very important changes made to the text at the most controversial passage of the talk. I want to discuss what the changes mean, whether you think they went too far or not far enough, and any other thoughts you might have about the changes.
Here are the two versions of the talk:
The version spoken in conference and transcribed by a random John at Mormon Mentality:
We teach the standard of moral conduct that will protect us from Satan’s many substitutes and counterfeits for marriage. We must understand that any persuasion to enter into any relationship that is not in harmony with the principles of the gospel must be wrong. From The Book of Mormon we learn that wickedness never was happiness. Some suppose that they were pre-set, and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn tendencies toward the impure and unnatural. Not so. Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone? Remember, he is our Father.
Paul promised, “God will not suffer you to be tempted above what ye are able, but will, with the temptation, also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.” (paraphrased I Cor 10:13)
You can if you will, break the habits, and conquer the addiction, and come away from that which is not worthy of any member of the Church. As Alma cautioned, we must watch and pray continually. Isaiah warned of them that call evil good and good evil. That put darkness for light and light for darkness. That put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
The text version on LDS.org today:
We teach a standard of moral conduct that will protect us from Satan’s many substitutes or counterfeits for marriage. We must understand that any persuasion to enter into any relationship that is not in harmony with the principles of the gospel must be wrong. From the Book of Mormon we learn that “wickedness never was happiness.”
Some suppose that they were preset and cannot overcome what they feel are inborn temptations toward the impure and unnatural. Not so! Remember, God is our Heavenly Father.
Paul promised that “God . . . will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.”14 You can, if you will, break the habits and conquer an addiction and come away from that which is not worthy of any member of the Church. As Alma cautioned, we must “watch and pray continually.”
Isaiah warned, “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!”
I haven’t compared the other parts of the talk yet, so there may be more changes, but this is the most controversial passage.
What do the changes mean? To me, the change from the word “tendencies” to the word “temptations” is highly significant. It reflects the fact that the Church is not comfortable with saying that some “tendencies” are not “preset.” This is an important change to the original version that ought to be celebrated.
Second, the rhetorical question “Why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?” was simply deleted. This is also important, since that question is highly suspect as a rhetorical device. It gives rise to all kinds of further questions which are not relevant to the subject of the talk, and not easily answerable.
Overall, I’m grateful for the changes, as I see them reaffirming the distinction the Church has drawn between attraction and behavior. It is not sinful to have sexual attractions, only to have sexual relationships outside of marriage. One could even read the changes as bringing the talk closer to being completely about pornography and taking the issue of homosexuality completely out of it.
How do you read these changes?
http://www.nine-moons.com/?p=1275
| | | Understanding The Psychology Of Packer's Hateful Remarks Re Gays
Monday, Oct 11, 2010, at 08:14 AM
Original Author(s): Thedocumentor
Topic: BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 2 -Guid- | ↑ | Here is an educatred guess about the psychology of Boyd Packer's infamous remarks recently about gays. My POV is that of a never-Morg who's got a background in the behavioral sciences and who reads a lot in that field.
I suspect that Packer might be one of those people who have difficulty dealing with ambiguity and uncertainty. There are lots of such folks, and intolerance of ambiguity or uncertainty is definitely not an aberrant or abnormal condition, and ttbomk is not strongly associated with education or any other demographic characteristic. In fact, it's quite common.
If you know what to listen for, tt's easy to hear this quality. For example, listen carefully to the ravings of fundy "pastors" on "Kristian radio". You will hear a constant stream of either/or statements--"if it isn't X, then it must be Y"--with no admission of uncertainty or ignorance of "god's will". Similarly, political extremists and demagogues do it (probably because such dismissal of uncertainty may appeal to followers of demagogues.) At one point, some years ago, there was even a standard psychological instrument (paper-and-pencil test) for measuring ambiguity.
Moreover, Catholic theology, for example, recognizes the sin of ambiguity intolerance. In Catholicism, it's called Manicheanism. (I hate to appear to be praising the Catholic church, which obviously has its own set of problems. And I am certainly not a Catholic.)
Not all religions show such ambiguity intolerance. It's similarly easy to hear, among the more educated and mature and confident members of almost any mainstream denom, statements admitting that on this or that puzzling theological question, "we just don't know."
Mormon "theology" is a ridiculous bunch of conflicting assertions, even more ridiculous than, say, Christian or Catholic theology, with of course no external evidencle supporting them. Boyd is obviously someone who's swallowed Morg theology whole. Folks like that believe with all their heart (or more accurately, all their gut) that , god does only good things; thus, to say that god created gay people that way (as, for example, the Catholic church all but admits) is ridiculous. Boyd clearly is unable to say "it's unclear, we just don't know." To make such an admission is to open yourself up to all sorts of doubt and discussion of things; once you allow the uneducated masses (i.e., Mormons, in the eyes of the leadership) to start thinking in that way, you lose control ofthem.
I'm aware of Boyd's history of making ridiculous statements, and I suspect that a look back at his more absurd statements with this idea in mind would show quite a bit of ambiguity intolerance.
I hope he becomes President of the church. He's a very authoritarian guy, so will be a big embarrassment to the church, and the nature of organizational behavior means that as top dog no one will dare criticize him for his remarks; thus, they will become increasingly nutty, and none of the folks on the level just below will be so foolish as to point out a problem with anything he says. When folks like Packer become top dog in any organization, the folks at the next level down usually recognize how dangerous it can be to dissent or disagree from what the top guy says.
| | | What I Find Particularly Offensive About Packer's Talk Is That Children Had To Hear It
Tuesday, Oct 12, 2010, at 07:53 AM
Original Author(s): Athiestandhappy
Topic: BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 2 -Guid- | ↑ | Usually I only have a few close friends, but sometimes look around FB wondering if I want to add any old friends, and to find out what they are doing, and compare our lives to see if I am still an alien. I found a young man who was a boy on our school bus route, whose parents were on my paper route, who is now a gay activist. Who knew? In HS one student that everyone knew of was out, but I would never have known about him, because he was in grade school. He seems to have turned out well, even though he grew up with some ridicule or bullying for other reasons. His parents are very nice people, but what if he had been LD$? I thought, what if the little boy I knew had heard this talk?
This sentence really upset me:
“For those who truly desire it, there is a way back. Repentance is like unto a detergent. Even ground-in stains of sin will come out.”
Previous to this quote he told the story of voting on the gender of a kitten, and between the two there were no overt references to pornography, but directly afterwards he did mention it. After all the inferences, and allusions in this talk, I believe this quote can be taken both ways, but most definitely as a reference to homosexuality. Especially because it follows the kitten story, and statements about “voting to change laws that would legalize immorality” , and the kitten story follows the “inborn tendencies” statement. In his mind, gawd made everyone perfect, and anything contrary is sin, and our choice, like voting on our gender - it will not change it. The story can also work for any black and white thinking analogy, but who can ignore the fact that the story is about gender? Gender and orientation are the same to him, while to me it seems there is an entire spectrum for orientation in society.
As it applies to pornography, I understand the strong, vivid metaphor, but for a child or teenager watching conference, who already may feel ostracized, criticized, inferior, imperfect, or sinful for being fundamentally who they are, this is a vile statement. I cannot imagine these children feeling that what they feel is part of them, and who they are, is seen as a ground in stain that must be purged. To me this is powerful language that could haunt someone forever.
I can only mildly relate, because LD$ Inc. did not accept me for who I am. I received a lot of bullying in my life, because I have a rare personality type, and health issues, so I am different in a culture that wants conformity. TSCC made me feel my introversion was not accepted, did not appreciate my analysis, insight or intellect, and only appreciated one role for women as baby factories, made discriminatory statements, and denied health issues that I have had for decades - the struggle with them defines every day of my life, has ruined my education, etc., and to have them minimize or outright deny it exists, even with doctor’s letters, is extremely cruel, and hurtful to me. These things are not my choice; they are who I am. I think many members have felt a very small part of what gay, black, and female members have felt, and could empathize if they really thought about it. Former members can better understand.
I only know what it is like to have them crush my individuality, deny my feelings or right to them, and rewrite the history of my painful life to suit themselves.
This is as far as I can relate, but I am really upset for everyone, but especially for the children.
Whenever they say the gospel is like a stone rolling forth, I say, sure, and they are crushing people along the way. TSCC is a destructive force.
| | | Mr. Packer Is Right - I Am Offended By Some Aspect Of The Church
Monday, Apr 4, 2011, at 08:17 AM
Original Author(s): Lordbritish
Topic: BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 2 -Guid- | ↑ | http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles...
"Latter-day Saints are also taught to love one another and to frankly forgive offenses. Many members have been offended by some aspect of the Church and have fallen into inactivity."
"'That attitude is somewhat like a man being hit by a club,' he said. 'Offended, he takes up a club and beats himself over the head all the days of his life. How foolish! How sad! That kind of revenge is self-inflicting. If you have been offended, forgive, forget it and leave it alone.'"
Correct! It was some aspect of the church. (some of the following could be grouped off into subcategories and are redundant but I am just in rapid fire mode here)
I am offended.
The aspect of the church that speaks of Unconditional Love based solely on conditions.
The aspect of the church that causes infinite self doubt and depression for you never know what your 'all you can do' actually is.
The aspect of the church that destroys marital intimacy by throwing out a million rules so that you and your partner are each other's personal watchdog on rule keeping, incessantly carping about what you both need to be doing better, as opposed to being open to one another and growing together for fear of what the other will think and how they will weaponize the rules on you that you aren't perfectly keeping. (long run on sentence..sorry.)
The aspect of the church that forces you to destroy your uniqueness and authenticity and "pray, pay, and obey" your way into a vanilla and root-beer cookie cutter mold that nobody with a pulse can maintain.
The aspect of the church that projects the 'perfect' image that is impossible to attain so you drive yourself mad striving to reach something you will never be able to.
The aspect of the church that makes your spouse look down on you for not being in a 'high / chic' church status, "He must be doing something wrong...he isn't a (fill in hierarchy position of choice blank)..."
The aspect of the church that makes each spouse fill the role of Jesus Christ to each other/ (Satan? Depending on how you look at the 'war in heaven) by forcing through anger, guilt, weaponization of sex, or passive aggressive comments the need to follow the every word and rule that comes from the prophets mouth...or suffer the consequences. (FYI, you'll NEVER measure up...Good luck.)
The aspect of the church that cannot, at all costs, look at itself in the mirror, the church that has changed itself, revised itself, or just blatantly ignored itself in hopes that no one reads it or discovers it. Then plays the victim and claims it's own truth is 'anti'.
The aspect of the church that does all it can to maintain tax free exemption at all costs, yet cross the line into political action committee. It gets it's cake and eats it to...why can't I?
The aspect of the church that does it's best to force people, whether you are a member or not, to change their sexual behaviors over approximately 8 biblical verses or feel 'Godly' sorrow/wrath by being told you are burning in hell or just 'damned to a telestial sphere' because you are happy with your lifestyle.
The aspect of the church founded by alpha males and now morphed into beyond beta male status...then getting upset with the members when they follow through with the beta male teachings and don't have the courage to get married young.
The aspect of the church that told members to do group activities on dates for it is "safer" just to then getting mad when they complied and spinning to the complete 180 degree opposite and telling them to "PAIR OFF!".
The aspect of the church that speaks of 'secret combinations' yet being the least transparent to the public in terms of 'sacred combinations'.
The aspect of the church that hides information about it's 'restorer' out of embarrassment and contradictions.
The aspect of the church that knows women held the priesthood in the original founding with Joseph Smith, as well as blacks, but then morphed and changed into a patriarchal and racist institution and tries to hide or conveniently ignore it.
The aspect of the church that builds 4 billion dollar malls, has employees work it's TV station on Sundays, serves alcohol in various venues, and just is rife with hypocrisy.
...ad infinitum.
| A few years ago, in a conference talk more known for "why would our Heavenly Father do that to anyone?" Boyd K. Packer also said:
"Fifteen years ago, with the world in turmoil, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles issued “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” the fifth proclamation in the history of the Church. It is a guide that members of the Church would do well to read and to follow."
When this talk was given, I remember thinking "What are the other proclamations?"
The Encyclopedia of Mormonism answered this question most of the way, naming the four previous proclamations. The link also contains the full text of two of them (the 1st, given in 1841, and the 4th, given in 1980). However, there were only excerpts from the 2nd, given in 1845, and 3rd, given in 1865, proclamations, and I was curious to see the full text. Finally, I tracked them down in the volume set Messages of the First Presidency.
The 2nd one is long and calls upon the leaders of the world to support the Saints, warning them of the second coming (which people then living were to have lived to see), declaring the American Indians to be of the house of Israel, and so forth. The 3rd one is basically a rebuke of Orson Pratt for crazy talk.
http://www.lds.org/general-conference...
But here they all are online, surely?
http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Proclama...
No they are not ... significant deletions have been made from the 1845 one at least, as one can see by comparing the version here:
http://www.utlm.org/onlineresources/p...
This charming bit is missing:
And now, O ye kings, rulers, and people of the Gentiles: hear ye the word of the Lord; for this commandment is for you. You are not only required to repent and obey the gospel in its fulness, and thus become members or citizens of the kingdom of God, but you are also hereby commanded, in the name of Jesus Christ, to put your silver and your gold, your ships and steam-vessels, your railroad trains and your horses, chariots, camels, mules, and litters, into active use, for the fulfillment of these purposes. For be it known unto you, that the only salvation which remains for the Gentiles, is for them to be identified in the same covenant, and to worship at the same altar with Israel. In short, they must come to the same standard. For, there shall be one Lord, and his name one, and He shall be king over all the earth.
This was from a talk given at the October 2010 Gen'l Conference. It has become a bit famous because BKP, during the actual talk, described the Proclamation as a "revelation," which was later edited out of the published version in the Ensign. Here is what BKP said from the pulpit (bold added for emphasis):
Fifteen years ago, with the world in turmoil, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles issued “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” the fifth proclamation in the history of the Church. It qualifies according to the definition as a revelation and would do well that members of the church to read and follow it.
Now, here is the written version:
Fifteen years ago, with the world in turmoil, the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles issued “The Family: A Proclamation to the World,” the fifth proclamation in the history of the Church. It is a guide that members of the Church would do well to read and to follow.
Of course, the talk is also famous for other parts being edited out that dealt with homosexuality.
| DW had never heard of the little factory talk, so i showed it to her. i know we've all liked to make fun of it, but i just wanted to point out a few more things I noticed.
1) "First, I want you to know this. I you are struggling with this temptation and perhaps you have not quite been able to resist, the Lord still loves you. It is not anything so wicked nor is it a transgression so great that the Lord would reject you because of it, but it can quickly lead to that kind of transgression." So, Packer is saying that there are sins serious enough that cause the Lord to stop loving you. Interesting.
2) It's been proven in many studies, that people develop virulent intense emotions against something when they share that trait or fear they have it. And thus you see that many of the worlds most vigorous anti homosexuals are secretly homosexual themself. I dont need to recall the number of people who have been caught in such a situation, its pretty easy to look up. It's clear that Packer is dealing with this, and thus his absolute fixation with homosexuality. However, I never realized how true that was, until I read a slip of the tongue that got by all his censors. Read this paragraph:
"Now a warning! I am hesitant to even mention it, for it is not pleasant. It must be labeled as major transgression. But I will speak plainly. There are some circumstances in which young men may be tempted to handle one another, to have contact with one another physically in unusual ways. Latter-day Saint young men are not to do this.
Sometimes this begins in a moment of idle foolishness, when boys are just playing around. But it is not foolishness. It is remarkably dangerous. Such practices, however tempting, are perversion. "
He tips his hand when he mentions how very tempting it is to fondle another boys genitals! As a heterosexual man, i've never found it however tempting at all. it just doesnt cross my mind. but apparently to elder packer, it is very tempting indeed, he just avoids it because it is perversion. very telling freudian slip in my opinion.
3) this talk really sucks.
Amen
| | | Lest Boyd K Packer Forget; "For The Blessing Of The Lamanites"
Thursday, Mar 28, 2013, at 07:29 AM
Original Author(s): Villager
Topic: BOYD K. PACKER - SECTION 2 -Guid- | ↑ | Some excerpts from his article published in the 1964 Relief Society Magazine:
"A growing number of Indian boys and girls are accepting calls to serve on full-time missions. At the time of this writing there are more than thirty Indian missionaries laboring in the two Indian missions. An added number are serving in other missions throughout the world. The Muddy River Stake with a membership of fifty-five, has three missionaries in the field.
" If one were to visit the Pomo Indian Branch in the Santa Rosa Stake, the Omaha-Winnebago Branch in Nebraska, or the Cattaraugus Branch in New York, he would find capable Indian members serving as Relief Society presidents, Sunday School superintendents and branch leaders.
......"more than six thousand Indian boys and girls are attending special Seminary classes which are being conducted across the Nation from New York and North Carolina to California and Oregon.
....."but the work is only beginning. There is a great deal yet to be done, and all of us share in the responsibility. Brigham Young charged the membership of the Church in his day to press forward with the work of redeeming Indian Israel.
....."The work in behalf of our Lamanite brothers and sisters must go forward. They have waited long years for their restoration to the blessings of the gospel. The Lord has placed a direct responsibility upon the members of the Church to see that the great work of redemption does not falter. Every Latter-day Saint should be a friend and a champion of the Indian people. We must be certain that blessings are not withheld because of indifference or intolerance on our part. Our patient labor in behalf of Lehi's seed can help them to reclaim their inheritance in this land."
(From "For the Blessing of the Lamanites", Elder Boyd K Packer
Aug 1964.)
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