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| Saturday, Apr 8, 2006, at 08:29 AM Infymus, Owner And Operator Of The Mormon Curtain, A Small Biography Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Infymus, aka Michael S. Hoenie, is the owner and operator of The Mormon Curtain.
In the heart of Mormonism in Salt Lake City - he lives with wife and two children, a daughter and a son.
Michael has operated Bulletin Board Systems from 1982 to 1993. In 1995 he moved from the BBS world to the Internet now running five separate full-time websites.
Michael has been programming computers since early 1982. Michael started with the TI-994a, then to the Atari 800, the Apple II and then into the IBM PC and PC Compatibles. An avid programmer, he has been working in Pascal since 1984 and Delphi since 1996. He makes his living along the Wasatch Front coding various projects for clients ranging in the Title Industry, Automotive, College Book Store Software and recently the Medical Industry. Michael's passion has always been computers and gaming. Michael is one of the most experienced Delphi Engineers in Utah.
Michael joined the Mormon Church in May of 1986. With the advent of the Internet came the flow of information. This kind of information was forbidden for Mormons to read or discuss and could previously only be found in Anti-Mormon books that were considered "tools of Satan" by Mormon leaders. Michael began reading about past prophets he had never known. He began to realize that there were multiple first visions. He began to understand what the Adam/God doctrine really was and how the Church today was ignoring past prophets. He saw that the laws of tithing had changed only when the church was threatened with bankruptcy. He saw that the History Of The Church - something that he had relished was not what it appeared to be - that it had been re-written and changed by the Church to block out embarrassing things the Church didn't want anyone to read. He saw that Mormon Doctrine was not what it appeared to be. He saw that the Doctrines Of Salvation had been watered down into a single-book called "Answers to Gospel Questions". He saw that the Autobiography Of Parley Pratt was a total lie.
In June of 2001 Michael wrote a letter to the LDS Church and demanded that his name be removed from the records of the Church. Two months later his request was granted and now the framed copy of the exit letter from Greg Dodge sits on his home office wall.
| | Tuesday, Jan 4, 2005, at 09:34 AM Is Mormonism Changing? Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | In the Saturday morning session of the Mormon Church's Fall Conference, 2001, President Gordon B. Hinckley addressed the question we hear so often these days: "Is the Mormon Church changing its doctrines? Is it becoming more mainline Christian?"
President Hinckley said, "No!"
"Those who observe us say that we are moving into the mainstream of religion. We are not changing. The world's perception of us is changing. We teach the same doctrine." (Ensign, November 2001, p.5)
The Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley says the Mormon Church is not changing. Here are some real truths:
- Church stopped the Book Of Mormon Television adds, and replaced them with adds offering the King James Version of the Bible. No more mention of the
Book of Mormon is made in these adds. Now they show just a picture of the King James Bible and say that it is a "Free gift when
you call this toll free number..." This way, True Christians will be TRICKED into calling their number and the Mormon
Missionaries then begin the process of trying to convert.
- Church changed all the quotes in the Brigham Young lesson manual from "wives" to "wife"
- Church-wide Joseph F. Smith lesson manual removes all mention of this prophet's many plural wives and divorces
- Church changing some (but not all yet) references to the "Cumorah Pageant" to "Palmyra Pageant"
- Church quietly removed term "White and Delightsome" from Book of Mormon
- Church removed strange words from temple endowment like "Barak Ale," "Pay Lay Ale," "Beelzebub," etc..
- Church's other extensive April 1990 changes to the temple endowment ceremony to make it more politically correct by removing the blood death oaths, five points of fellowship, and the Protestant preacher in the pay of "Beelzebub" (Satan).
- Church dropped the "Lamanite Generation" name at BYU and renamed it "Living Legends"
- Church morphed the FARMS organization into some broad ancient scripture thing that does not directly involve the Book of Mormon.
- Church changed the name of the "Mormonads" in the New Era to "New Era Posters." These are those photos with "inspirational" sayings appropriate for cutting out and using for a constant reminder of someone else's ideas of appropriate behavior.
- All Church letterhead, news releases and announcements changed to always refer to the church as "The Church of Jesus Christ."
- Church's recent world-wide announcement that insists the media never refer to the church as the "Mormon Church."
- Hinckley's public denials of long-held controversial mormon beliefs that God was once a man and that polygamy was not doctrine (When did Hinckley deny that polygamy was a doctrine? September 8, 1998 on an episode of "Larry King Live.")
- World-wide the church is undertaking the enormous task of removing the original contemporary steeples from all of their churches and replacing them with Christian-looking steeples that cost "between $15,000 to $28,000 each." Even the church admits this is for cosmetic reasons.
- Talks by Church President Hinckley avoid mention of Joseph Smith. As one example, on June 24, 2001, Hinckley spoke to the members in San Antonio, TX and elaborated on a belief in the restoration, but did not refer to Joseph Smith a single time. In the same talk, he did not include a testimony in Joseph Smith among the list of things that make you worthy to go the temple. He listed every other requirement mentioned in the worthiness interview, but skipped over all references to Joseph Smith.
- Church proclamation "The Living Christ:-Testimony of Apostles" avoids references from Mormon scripture. All scriptural quotes are from the Bible or carefully selected copies of Bible verses from phrases in the D&C.; The proclamation fails to use any references from the Book of Mormon, the Church's "Other Testament of Jesus Christ."
- Last year the church spent millions on a new temple guest building next to the Salt Lake Temple. The main purpose of the new building is to serve as a waiting area for wedding guests not allowed in the temple, which includes all non-members and less-active members. While missing the wedding, unworthy guests now wait in the new plush building and view pictures, magazines and videos explaining the importance of temples. The Church hopes the new facility makes unworthy guests feel more a part of the temple experience and less bitter about not being able to participate in the ceremony.
- The Church is completely remodeling the two visitor centers on temple square, removing all the Book of Mormon exhibits and replacing them with theaters to show church films about the family. The South visitor center has already been redone. Gone are the "talking head" Book of Mormon theaters, fake golden plates exhibit, temple baptistry font and mormon persecution exhibits. The North visitor center is currently under re-construction, with everything but the big Chritus statue being changed. In place of the First Vision theater there will be an exhibit on Christ's Jerusalem ministry - a first for the Church.
- Monson started a televised Church devotional in the tabernacle recently by taking the pulpit and saying "Let us Pray" before bowing his head. This mainstream Christian phrase to begin a church service is new to Mormon culture.
- Quote from the LDS Church website regarding the Nauvoo Temple dedication: "Upon arriving at the open house, you first will view an exhibit that provides an overview of temples and helps explain how the activities and worship within them are centered on Jesus Christ."
- "The Holy Ghost" rebranded as Holy Spirit, Free Agency rebranded as Moral Agency
- One big change was the church's enlarging the words Jesus Christ on its logo/letterhead and other signs (I think this change was made in the late 1980s) and also it's hiring of a non-LDS PR firm just after Hinckley made his very first appearance on national U.S. television with Mike Wallace on 60 Minutes.
- Having a non-Mormon speak in the Tabernacle (I think they did this just recently) in SLC.
- Getting involved with interfaith groups (I don't recall the name but in the late 1980s, they began attending and participating in the World Council of Churches and selected Interfaith group meetings)
- Baptisim For The Dead...now referred to as Baptisim By Proxy
- Look at the evolution of garments. Ankle length one piecers to the current model that looks like boxer briefs. New women's tops look like normal t-shirts (nearly normal anyway). Military G's.....in a few years, I'm sure they'll announce the thong garment.
| | Thursday, Jan 6, 2005, at 10:10 AM Tithing Is A Choice, NOT Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Ti
In the following article, Shauna Barron writes:
In response to the Public Forum letter of Jan. 3, I would like to tell Ken Roach that having once been an "active Mormon," he apparently didn't learn much about the faith.
He writes that obedient Mormons lack the choice of whether or not they pay tithing. The LDS Church doesn't deduct 10 percent of my paycheck before I get my hands on the money. However, the state and federal governments certainly get my money before I do. Maybe it's their fault we're bankrupt.
Whether or not we pay our tithing is entirely up to us. Hence, it's a choice. Yes, it's a commandment. But most of us very often don't keep all the commandments. Every choice we make in life carries a consequence, be it good or bad. I seriously doubt Mr. Roach was told that God would not protect his family unless he paid his tithing. His fear was self-induced.
I make the choice whether or not I pay my tithing. And there have been many times that I avoided financial difficulties because I paid my tithing.
It's time to read between the lines Shauna. You said it yourself "It's a commandment." therefore, tithing is not a choice. If you don't pay tithing "[it] carries a consequence".
Mormons are very good at lying about how tithing is a choice. You tell a Mormon that if they don't pay their tithing, they won't get into heaven. The Mormon
will turn around and tell you that isn't true. In that regard it isn't wholly true because Mormons don't believe in a "Hell", but believe in three seperate heavens. If you don't
pay your tithing, you don't get to go to the highest "Celestial" kingdom. And no Mormon wants to be stuck in a lower kingdom where there is no chance to move up, or
to increase, or to have "World without end."
You see, the Mormon God resides in the top kingdom. He doesn't visit the lower kingdoms. And if a Mormon doesn't make it to the highest kingdom, then they run
the risk of never seeing other family members again who have made it. There are also no eternities of having children and populating your own planet - IE, you don't
get to become a god yourself.
If a Mormon does not pay their tithing, then they cannot get into the Mormon Temple. Mormons have yearly "Tithing Settlement" meetings with their bishops to make
sure they are paying a full tithe. This is done every year in December. If a Mormon is not paying a full tithe (10% of their income) they loose their Temple Recommends
and can no longer get into the temple. If they can't get into the temple, then they can't learn the secret handshake, secret password and secret "new name" to get
passed the guards and Joseph Smith who stand at the gates of the Celestial Kingdom.
No Mormon can fathom this. Therefore, they pay their %10 regardless of whether they can pay their bills. It is no wonder that Utah leads the nation in personal bankruptcies.
So when a Mormon tells you that tithing is purely a personal choice, remind them that their ticket to the Celestial kingdom depends on Jesus getting his 10%.
| | Monday, Jan 10, 2005, at 02:35 AM Jesus Christ Wants People Who Will Pay, Pray And Obey Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Jesus Christ wants people who will PAY, PRAY and OBEY.
The best thing that the Mormon Church can do with Grant Palmer is excommunicate him. Let the world know that if you “Think” outside the box, you will be punished.
The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints claims that it is a Christian Religion. It claims that Jesus Christ is the head of the Church and that Jesus Christ guides, leads and directs the day-to-day operations of the Church, it's Leaders and the Gospel.
Let us take that as literal. Jesus Christ runs the Mormon Church. Mormonism preaches that Jesus Christ is the “same today and tomorrow, and forever.”
The disfellowshipment of Grant Palmer shows us many things about Jesus Christ (or at least, the Mormon Jesus Christ). It shows us in very plain terms that Jesus Christ does not want anyone who thinks differently, who has a different opinion, or seeks knowledge about the early days of the church. Jesus Christ wants people who will PAY, PRAY and OBEY.
If you open your Book of Mormon and you compare 2 Nephi 30:6 to that of a Book Of Mormon published earlier than 1981, you will see that the scripture changed from “they shall be a white and delightsome people” to “they shall be a pure and delightsome people”. In ancient America before the time that Joseph Smith claimed Jesus Christ appeared to the Nephites, Nephi was etching onto Golden plates his history. Why didn't Jesus Christ have the foresight to point out to Nephi that he should NOT write “White” but should write “Pure”? Why didn't Jesus Christ instruct Joseph during the translation process to change “White” to “Pure”? Why didn't Jesus Christ appear or give vision to Brigham Young when he wrote that blacks would never receive the priesthood in this life, or that anyone who married a black person should be “killed on the spot” - why didn't Jesus Christ tell him that he was wrong?
And more! When Brigham Young received pure revelation from Jesus Christ that Adam was God, and under that instruction from Jesus Christ - taught it in the Salt Lake Temple for over 20 years - why didn't Jesus Christ know that “modern day” prophet Gordon B. Hinckley would denounce the practice saying it was not doctrinal?
If a current Mormon in good standing asked these questions - questions that are TRUE questions, they are TRUE Mormon History - they would first be asked to stop asking, and if they persisted, they would be hauled into Church Courts of “Love”.
Grant Palmer said an amazing thing during his interview with KRCL radio. He said “I don't know how to repent from something that is true.” If I were and active Mormon in good standing and I began asking questions to know why the scripture was changed from “White” to “Pure”, I would be asked to keep it to myself. If I pursued the answer and taught that Mormon leaders changed the book, eventually I would be hauled into Church Courts and possibly excommunicated unless I stopped.
Jesus Christ who heads the Mormon Church does not want anyone who has a different idea. Jesus Christ does not want anyone who has a different opinion, or wants to know the question “WHY”. Even though Jesus Christ said “Knock, and it shall be opened unto you,” he did not mean that literally. What he should have said was “Pay me your money. Pray to me. Obey me. And don't ask any questions.”
So let Jesus Christ disfellowship Grant Palmer. Let them disfellowship and excommunicate anyone who asks the question ... WHY. Let the world know that Jesus Christ will not allow anyone to question, nor to think, nor to desire to know about the truths of Jesus Christ's (Mormonism) Church, let alone publish a paper, or a book on the topic.
Jesus Christ wants three things from you: PAY… PRAY… OBEY…
Let the world see that Mormonism does not want free thinkers. Let the world know that Mormonism, which claims that Jesus Christ is indeed the head of the Mormon Organization, will literally kick you out of the highest Kingdom Of God the “Celestial” Kingdom, if you question and act upon your questions of the history or the validity of the claims of Joseph Smith and his “golden plates”.
MONEY. POWER. CONTROL. There is no other way.
| | Sunday, Feb 13, 2005, at 04:12 AM First Name Removal, Now Ward/Stake Directory Posted By Anonymous INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | In 2001, I had my name removed from the records of the Mormon Church. Shortly thereafter my request was granted and I received my letter from Greg Dodge via. membership records. Unfortunatly, the Mormon Church continues to publish my name and the name of my minor daughter (17 months) in their Ward / Stake directory. I find this to be harrassment. Therefore I've written the following letter to both the Ward and Stake buildings:
To Whom It May Concern:
On page 42 of the current Ward Directory for Olympus 5th Ward, the names MIKE HOENIE and (DAUGHTER NAME) are currently listed.
On July 03, 2001 I requested in writing that my name be removed from the records of the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. Shortly thereafter I received confirmation from Greg Dodge at the LDS Records department stating that my name had indeed been removed. Copies of this letter may be delivered upon request and may also be obtained from Membership Records via. Greg Dodge.
Regardless of whether the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints considers my daughter or myself a member, my original letter dated July 03, 2001 signifies my departure from Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints in full. I have not given permission for the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints to publish my name or my minor child's name in any directory at either a Stake or Ward level.
I have never given any legal consent that my minor child's name be published in a Stake or Ward Directory for The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints. Posting my name and my minor daughter's name constitutes harassment on the part of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day-Saints.
I formally demand that you remove the names MIKE HOENIE and (DAUGHTER NAME) from your Ward and Stake Directories and furthermore demand that my name nor my daughter's name be published in any future directories.
You may continue to print my wife's name (WIFES NAME) in your directory as she has requested and still remains a member of your corporation.
I expect to hear from you shortly in acknowledgement that both names have been removed and will be removed from future directories.
I will mail both letters on 2/14/2005. Stay tuned to for further results.
| | Sunday, Feb 20, 2005, at 04:33 AM Bishop Of The Ward Stopped By Posted By Anonymous INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | The bishop of the ward that I live in just stopped by. He wanted to personally apologize for my name being in the ward directory. Last Monday I wrote a letter him asking that my name and my child's name be removed.
He wanted to let me know that he respected my wishes and would have our names removed in following directories, but could not remove them now. He did mention that he could make an announcement to have my name “blacked out with marker” but I declined. Can you imagine Mormons in my neighborhood being instructed to black out my name? That is as bad as being marked for visits, love bombing and letters.
There is something that just creeps me out about Mormon men who are in power. They ooze confidentiality and they “Love you” and they respect their deep “Friendships” with you even when you don't feel the same. This Bishop who I do respect as a neighbor (he lives four houses away) I don't feel is my “friend.” I've met the guy maybe 20 times in the last five or six years, including hand delivering my resignation letter to him, and suddenly we're “deep friends”? I don't think so. I have a friend that has been with me through thick and thin, we met in Jr. High and have been good friends ever since. That to me is a deep friendship, not this man who is doing the bidding of his Priesthood Corporate Ladder.
He wanted to sit down with me and discuss with him my reasons for leaving the church. He said there was nothing that I could tell him that would offend him. I looked at him point blank and told him that talking with him would be pointless. He asked why. I briefly mentioned the Kinderhook plates, racism, buried past, the Book of Abraham, blacks, polygamy, Joseph's 32 wives (including his 14 and 16 year olds), murder in the early days of the church and a couple others. I stated that I run a website where not only do I blog articles from this site and others, but also have all of the temple rights, vows, changes and more - at a growing rate.
I stated that I was part of a large group of individuals who consider themselves recovering ex-Mormons and that there was absolutely nothing he could say that would change my mind, and I would not be able to change his. I asked that we agree to disagree and he partially nodded, but gave me the continued talk that “my door is open any time you want to talk”, as if there was something I need to discuss with him and if he could just but get me somewhere to talk, he'd change my mind.
It's too late for that, I know too much. At least he was courteous and acknowledged my letter for having my name removed from the ward directory. He left with a handshake and that's that.
All in all it's the first time I've been in front of Mormon “authority” and it didn't raise my heart rate or make me feel uncomfortable. It's a good sign. I had nothing to prove and wasn't interested at all in his sales pitch.
It's a good feeling I hope you all can get to if you haven't already.
Peace,
Infymus.
| | Thursday, Apr 21, 2005, at 09:34 AM The Mormon Plan Of Salvation - Mormon Free Agency Does Not Exist Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Why have I not written in my personal journals for nearly ten years?
For years I did not write. For years I did not care to write. In my mind, Mormonism had convinced me that Christ was going to come and wipe out the earth, and everything that I had worked for would be destroyed anyway. And since we were on the verge of the coming of Christ, why would it matter if I did anything? And in that I began to get angry that this God would come and destroy all of my works. Even if my works were good, he would destroy them anyway because his way was the only way.
That therein is why I had so many problems with what the Mormons call Free Agency.
Free Agency does not exist. Free agency is something that Mormons dangle out at you saying that you have free choice in everything you do. They say that you can choose your actions but you cannot choose your consequences. And they say it to you as if it's an end-all phrase. As if by saying it the conversation is over, and there is nothing left to say.
The Book of Mormon states that when you die all spirits are taken "home to that God which gave them life." This is not true. It is contradicted by modern Mormon revelation wherein they state that all spirits go to the spirit Prison. Mormons, who have remained faithful in their endeavors and have "Endured To The End" as they state it, go to the Spirit Paradise. Those who did not keep their second estate, or those who have not yet accepted the Gospel of Jesus Christ, go to the spirit prison. Mormons believe that both the spirit prison and the spirit paradise are on the earth now as it stands in a kind of phase-shifted "veiled" reality. That way both can exist at the same time due to some miraculous power that is wrought by God.
Once in the spirit prison, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is taught to those contained therein. If they accept the Gospel, they are allowed out of prison and released into paradise. If they do not accept, they are held in prison until Christ comes forth and judges all at the last day. This is, of course, after Christ has reigned on the earth for 1000 years. So these people, these poor souls, will sit in prison until the second coming of Christ, and then spend an additional 1000 years in prison. At the end of that timeframe, the earth shall be "rolled as a scroll" and renewed to its paradisiacal glory and turned into the Celestial Kingdom.
At the time of judgment, the Doctrine and Covenants of the Mormon Church state that all knees shall bend and accept that Jesus Christ is God. There will be no persons who will not bow. All men will be forced by God to kneel before him and accept that he is. Agency does not play a part in this scenario. Neither does agency play a part in the scenario of being locked in a prison never to be allowed out unless one accepts the plan of salvation. Agency does not exist in this condition. There is no other choice.
Take this situation. You must give me one of your arms or one of your legs. There is no disputation among you. There is no choice that you have. You must give me an arm or a leg. This means that when you choose, I will cut off and take a limb. The choice is up to you which limb you shall give me, but I shall take it nonetheless. There is no third choice. There is no walking out the door. You shall bow before me and give me your limb. There is no "otherwise". It is not a consequence-determined event. It is black and it is white.
The spirit prison and the plan of salvation is akin to this. There is no choice. Mormons state that the choice is that you would stay in that prison until judgment time - in which you will be forced to bend knee and worship God. And then you will be placed in a kingdom - definitely not the Celestial Kingdom - but some other kingdom that is "set aside for that which is filthy" because the Kingdom of God is not filthy. This is not well defined by Mormonism.
All three kingdoms of heaven in Mormons, if we look at the universe as a whole, as an expansive place that has infinite expansion capabilities, and we place each eternity to eternity into a "bubble" as we would call it, we would look out and find an infinite number of bubbles for each eternity to eternity that has existed for which god has raised children to salvation and those children have gone on to be god's themselves and continued the cycle. Each bubble expands to fill the proportion of space and time that is necessary in order to carry out the plans that are necessary to raise spiritual children from stage to stage wherein they would come to a created earth, get a body, and move onto further stages.
What we would find if we examined this closely, is that we would find an infinite number of 1st and 2nd degree kingdoms full of those persons who did not transpire to the level of the Celestial kingdom for which they could continue on as god's themselves. Therefore we would find a number of souls that could not be calculated in numbers that are in states of prisons where they cannot move from kingdom to kingdom. This is an awful state. Mormonism accepts this state because they claim either these people merited this state of existence, or, these people were complacent and they choose to be in these kingdoms for all time and eternity - not just one bubble of eternity but all bubbles of eternity henceforth and forever. I am not even taking into account the number tossed away into Outer Darkness.
It is an atrocious fact that the Mormon God creates prisons in order to house those who are in disagreement with him. Because a person, who God claims is a son or daughter, a literal offspring of God, does not agree with God, that God locks that son or daughter away forever and ever. He claims that where he is, they cannot come. This flies in the face of reason and love and the statement that God has unconditional love.
Mormons would argue that this is correct and that what we have chosen to do in the flesh merits our placement in the heavens. What Mormonism does not take into account is the fact that we made those decisions in bodies that are not perfect. If we take Mormonism into account, our bodies are flesh and blood as a tabernacle or "temple" surrounding our spirits. When we leave this world and return to the spirit prison, we are no longer subject to the flesh and therefore can make decisions unhindered by the flesh. Even so, we are judged by how we acted in the flesh with half our minds veiled rather than being judged while we had full understanding.
We are coerced into falling on our knees and obeying God. There is no choice. There is no door in the "bubble" that lets us walk outside. The only choice Mormonism gives us is to follow God or to follow Satan. There is nothing behind door number three.
I spent a great many years pondering this and weighing the Plan of Salvation to the plan presented by Lucifer, the brother of Christ - and ultimately our brother. I found that I could not agree with either plan. Satan, a plan of compulsion, or Christ, a plan that ultimately lead down the same path. Why did I have to be one of the many who was brought before God, either on the right or left hand of Christ? Why would I want to be on his right side, showing that I had been totally obedient to him, or on his left, and be numbered among one ones he was "ashamed" to own. Ashamed? My brother owns me and furthermore would be ashamed of me? My brother is bringing me before God - who ultimately is going to stick me in a prison he calls a Kingdom?
Agency, is an illusion created by those with power. Mormonism creates the illusion of free agency but further research and analysis points otherwise.
Peace,
Infymus.
| | Friday, May 20, 2005, at 08:35 AM Mormonism Conditions Mormons To Believe They Are Unworthy Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Henry B. Eyring said the following about David A. Bednar:
"Elder Bednar's three sons, now grown and studying at universities, describe their father's influence. His son Michael says: "It seems that faith has driven out fear in my dad. He is always optimistic. No matter what goes wrong, he always says, ?Things will work out.' When it was hard for me during my mission, he told me to work hard and success would come. And he told me when the success came to remember that God gave it and that I did not earn it."
When I was a Mormon I was always told that I was not good enough. I was never worthy enough. And even if I did everything 100% right, I was always a sinner and I would never be a worthy servant.
From The Book Of Mormon, Mosiah 2:21:
I say unto you that if ye should serve him who has created you from the beginning, and is preserving you from day to day, by lending you breath, that ye may live and move and do according to your own will, and even supporting you from one moment to another--I say, if ye should serve him with all your whole souls yet ye would be unprofitable servants.
No matter what you do as a Mormon, you will never be profitable. You will never be worthy. You will always be a sinner.
The first thing I realized when I got out of Mormonism was that I was profitable. I realized that I was a worthy person. I had to tear down the years of psychological abuse the LDS church creates for it's members by telling them they are never good enough.
I get a kick out of telling my Mormon co-workers that I am without sin. They scoff at me because they can't fathom a person who actually is worthy. Do I make mistakes? Yes, but I do not call them sins. Do I bonk my knee on the edge of the table sometimes? Yes, but it has nothing to do with my worthiness or that I am a sinner.
I AM NOT A SINNER. I AM A WORTHY PERSON.
It's a difficult thing to say when you are Mormon because you are taught that you are never worthy. When Henry B. Eyring said that "God gave it and that I did not earn it" is a complete and total LIE.
I make my living as a software engineer. I've been in computers for 23 years now. I make a very modest living. I did not have a single day of college. All I have is a high school diploma. How did I get here? I worked hard. I proved myself to my employers and built myself a resume. Who did the work? I DID. I EARNED EVERY PENNY OF IT. Am I thankful to God? No, not at all. Do I think that God helped me or did it for me? Hell no.
I walk outside my office building and there standing on the lawn is an extremely unkempt homeless man that lives downtown. He is in total tatters and rags. His hair is long and full of dirt and twigs. His beard is long and he reeks of sweat and urine. He mumbles to himself incoherently, obviously mentally disturbed. Did God help him get there? No, most likely his mental state caused him to fall through the cracks of society and nobody wants to be burdened with his troubles or taking care of him. Mormons of course would say he is utterly blessed because he choose his "ESTATE" before coming here and now gets to suffer years upon years of hunger, confusion and buffeted by the elements.
Mormonism LIES when it says that you are not a good person. Mormonism LIES when it says you are not worthy. Mormonism LIES when it says that the only reason you have ANYTHING or have gotten ANYWHERE in life is because of God. When you leave Mormonism you realize that YOU were ultimately responsible for your own actions. YOU are the reason that you have succeeded in life. Take credit in yourself. Believe in yourself. Mormons suffer "brain cramps" when they try to comprehend leaving Mormonism. The years of imperial conditioning take effect. What God Giveth God Taketh Away. "What if? What if? God will punish"....
Mormonism teaches that you must love God before you can love yourself. This is an impossible goal. You must love yourself FIRST.
Mormonism is a LIE from the roots to the branches to the fruit. It is a religion based on control, not on love and becoming closer to deity. It is a religion full of cognitive dissonance designed to demoralize, create guilt, and keep the member in isolation from the reality and truth of what life is all about.
Pay... Pray... Obey... Break the cycle of Mormonism.
| | Tuesday, Jun 7, 2005, at 09:00 AM The Church Is All About Appearances Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | I work downtown and to get my exercise I walk two miles a day. Both trips go around temple square in either direction depending upon the day.
It's amazing the army of workers the LDS Church has to keep up their appearances.
In the spring, after the bulbs have bloomed, all of the bulbs, all over temple square, are removed. Not just cleaned up, but completely removed. Then an army of workers swarm in and plant spring plants. When spring is done, all of the plants are removed and summer plants are put in. In the fall, all of the summer plants are ripped out and fresh new bulbs are put in.
We are talking thousands and thousands of flowers, possible over 10,000 at least.
If there is a tiny crack in the sidewalk, the church rips up the piece and pours new concrete in. If a tree begins to wilt, the church rips it out and puts in a new one. They constantly repaint walls, gratings and iron fences. I would say at any given time there are 200-300 workers on the block between West Temple and State Street. I often kid my co-workers that even when there is nothing to do, the church makes something for them to do.
I'd love to have these guys working on my house because it takes them only hours to get things done.
They are constantly working on the place, tweaking every little tiny bit. Driving around in their little tiny transport vehicles with shovels and what not.
Of course I sit at the Lion House eating lunch and I notice the fireplace isn't really a fireplace, but a “picture” of a fireplace and I'm re-assured that it's all about appearances.
Keep the outside shiny regardless of how the inside feels. Always maintain that you are spiritual and holy and never let anyone know the truth.
Ah yes, Mormonism.
Peace,
Infymus.
| | Friday, Jun 10, 2005, at 09:42 AM All Grown Up Physically, But Not Mentally. Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | A member of my family did not graduate from high school last year. He continued to fall behind more and more until finally he did not have enough credits.
In this stage of his life he has no idea where he wants to go. He has some ideas, but is unsure about all of them. Instead, he fills up his time with thoughts of buying fast cars and other “dreams” of “have it now”. Going against the grain and because his parents cannot afford it - he is not serving a two year mission.
He was born and raised LDS. We have talked about the Mormon Church together. He knows that I am an agnostic atheist and believe the LDS Church to be an absolute fraud. This he cannot comprehend. Of course he knows nothing of church history in fact he hasn't yet read the Book of Mormon from cover to cover. He believes the Church to be true but easily dismisses any truths from Mormonism's past with epileptic cognitive dissonance.
I perceive in him a lack of courage, a lack of motivation, and a lack of enthusiasm. Here is a boy raised from birth in the halls of the LDS Ward House. And as I peer more into him I see that he is still that boy and I realize this is an effect of Mormonism. Taught that God would help him with anything if he would just be faithful enough prayed enough and paid enough. And now here he is praying that God will answer his prayers, and wandering aimlessly into adulthood.
Going against my own grain, I believe missions are the only positive things a young Mormon man can do at this age. Mormon women are brought up to be breeding stock. They are taught from a young age that they are to be subservient to the male priesthood authority and they are to find a husband as soon as possible and have children. Their goals of out high school are to get married as soon as possible.
Missions for young men give them two years of being told what to do twenty-four hours a day. For two years they are indoctrinated in the cult mindset and taught to obey. Missions in Mormonism are not to bring new converts into the church - they are set to heavily indoctrinate the young man into a lifetime of paying, praying and obeying the cult of Mormonism.
Mormonism truly does keep Mormon men at a psychological level of immaturity. I have found that a co-worker of mine, now in his thirties with three kids, has never once read any of the history of the Mormon Church. Never read the JOD, never read much of anything from Brigham Young. He has been on a mission, married his wife in the temple and is a paying, praying, card-carrying Mormon. I tried desperately to explain to this man the spherical influence and domain of each God in Mormonism, the number of Christs, Satans, Earths and Wives. I diagramed them on a white board, showing each spherical influence of our God was like a bubble. Each bubble can grow in proportion to its needs and new gods are given new spheres. I began to notice that I was going way over his head. I realized he had no idea about the deeper doctrines found within his religion. He was a surface Mormon, an “I don't know that we teach that,” and “I believe the church is True,” and “The church does a lot of good things,” and “I think he was speaking as a man”. It goes on. I began to realize that this man would be impossible to show the truth of the Mormon Church to. In his own mind he would hear “The Church Is True” for every item I mentioned. He completely lacked the mental skills to think and question for himself - being indoctrinated in the cult so long - he was now subservient to the authority of the cult. Mormons such as he lack the ability to formulate their own opinions and to “look beyond the mark” so to say about their own religion and the dogma they so fiercely proclaim.
You have to admire, in a grotesque way, that the church has absolute control over a member in this regard. It is absolutely amazing and utterly frightening at the same time.
Back to my family member, I truly believe that if he had been raised without being told that praying to God would solve everything - I'm betting he would have had a firmer grasp on his life.
Mormonism teaches its members that everything must be earned through suffering, and even if you did somehow manage to earn it, you didn't really deserve it and you should be in sackcloth and ashes in thankfulness that Jesus Christ even looked at you for that micron in time. Mormonism constantly teaches that you are unworthy regardless and that you can't do anything without asking Jesus Christ first. Of course, Jesus wont' listen to you if you don't pay, pray and obey. With books like “The Miracle Of Forgiveness”, you find that you are a sinner no matter what so the chances of Jesus Christ actually doing anything for you are so far removed that you create such cognitive dissonance in your mind, it physically depresses your behavior. Over time you find that your prayers have no effect and in turn direct this negativity about yourself back into yourself, thus binding your depression further.
It's disheartening watching him struggle with young adulthood using the "magical" rules about life that Mormonism has taught him.
I can only encourage him to seek out his own true feelings. I cannot interfere because his parents are very religious and religion is something we do not discuss.
It will be an interesting future watching him as he now enters adulthood.
| | Wednesday, Jun 22, 2005, at 07:42 AM 11 Year-Old Brennan Hawkins Found Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | I'm happy that 11 year-old Brennan Hawkins was found safe and sound and is now back with his family. I'm grateful for the hundreds of volunteers who gave up their time and money to search for the lost Boy Scout. I'm grateful that there are people who do take the time and care about those they don't know and lend a hand in emotional and physical ways.
Unfortunately, the LDS Church will milk this for all it can. "This shows the heavens are not closed," and "The second Brennan was in the ambulance, the heavens opened up and it began to rain." Reality will slowly fade into mythology and the stories will turn into fiction and I'm sure by the end of the year LDS will be telling each other that angels directed the man on his ATV to where Brennan was. Mormons will pat themselves on the back left and right. Mormon religious leaders will stand up at the pulpit and milk this teat until every last drop can be obtained.
God surely works wonders in these latter days! This family must have been paying, praying and obeying the Lord! Truly they were blessed for their faith!
Where was God when this two-year old was beaten to death? Where was God a couple of years ago when a two year old hunting with his father, climbed out of the cab and wandered off, dieing from exposure a day later? Where was God when I was 11 years old being whipped with horsewhips, shocked by cattle prods and starved so much I weighed 60 pounds?
God surely works in mysterious ways, doesn't he? How convenient of him.
God helps the little child find his pet hamster that got away, but the two-year-old child lost in the woods dies while his parents desperately cry out for help. How very selective of God.
If I were still Mormon, I would tell myself that I needed to shut up and start praying harder. God has his reasons and NOBODY knows the will of God. The reason I was abused and not set free as a child is because I CHOOSE MY PATH in the pre-existence.
I could go on, but… Why?
I'm thankful, again, that Brennan was found, but I'm sickened when religious persons and leaders begin to claim that God was the entire reason he was found. It had nothing to do with luck. It had nothing to do with the hundreds of persons who searched day and night for him.
If we could expose the Hawkins families darkest, dirtiest secrets, would we still believe that God blessed them? Let us look at the tithing records of the Hawkins family. Were they paying a 100% tithe? Were they following every rule brought down by the prophet? Was the wife wearing only 1 earring per ear? Were they both wearing their garments night and day? Were they being 100% faithful in all their callings? After all this could we still say that God truly blessed them?
No. Finding Brennan had nothing to do with God. Finding Brennan had everything to do with the State and Local Law Enforcement. It had everything to do with the hundreds upon hundreds of persons who gave their time and money to search for the little boy. It had everything to do with the man who took the day off from work, got on his ATV and happened to drive up the correct path where Brennan happened to be standing. That is your miracle.
So Brennan's mother cries on television stating that God "brings little boys home", all the while compelled to lecture the world that some people believe "the heavens are closed," she slaps the face of parents whose prayers were NOT answered by God. Parents whose child was found dead or never found at all. They should be ashamed for thinking the "heavens are closed".
Religion sucks. Mankind will never be free until we no longer have men who claim they hold the keys to God if you will only give them your money and obey them forever.
| | Thursday, Jul 7, 2005, at 08:05 AM Resignation - LDS Corp. Exercises One Last Control - The 30 Day "Waiting" Period Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | When I formally resigned I requested that LDS Corp. waive the 30-day waiting period. I wrote plainly that I understood the “consequences” and “penalties” (as defined by Mormonism) that it in effect negated my “baptism”, “priesthood”, etc, which to me at that time were all fake Mormon crap and I was loosing nothing.
My request was denied. I was forced to wait over 30 days and I had to repeatedly contact Greg Dodge until I received my confirmation letter.
To me, that "30 day waiting period" is just one last control mechanism that LDS Inc. uses to control its members.
There has got to be some kind of legal way of getting LDS Inc. to stop forcing members who formally resign to wait 30 days. Often for many people it is far greater than 30 days.
You write to Membership Records formally resigning. They in turn do not honor your request even though legally, by sending the letter, you have formally resigned regardless of what they choose to do. For members who are resigning, the confirmation letter from the COB is the first step in healing from this abusive cult.
Why can't they honor it? Instead they send you a hokey “please come back” letter that is printed in black and white with a hokey message where they think you “might” have been offended or worse, sinned - and then they pass it on to the bishop of the ward you happen to “live in”. This guy then sits on it for as long as he wants. If he is on the ball, he'll get a confirmation letter to you of course stating you have to wait 30 days. From experience on this board over the last two years, I have seen that over 50% of the time, the LDS bishop sits on his ass and does nothing. Confidentiality does NOT exist. The bishop passes it on to every male authority member in the ward and soon your name is whispered in every hallway.
You ask that you have no contact, often times this does not happen. The bishop calls you requesting meetings, the high priests stop by your house thinking perhaps you are just confused and if they could just talk to you, they'd change your mind. Joseph smith is the 2nd Jesus Christ after all, come back, you are throwing it all away.
Those such as myself - and others here, who have the strength to tell the church to go %%%% itself - generally get their letters quickly. Others get dragged on and on waiting, hoping and not having the strength to stand up to the male dominated LDS Corporation.
There needs to be legal precedence set. The LDS Corporation needs to honor the requests for resignation immediately and without “ecclesiastical handling”. Bishops and Stake Presidents do NOT need to be involved. If Greg Dodge receives a resignation letter from a member, Greg Dodge must honor this request immediately and send a confirmation letter back stating the membership with the Corporation has been terminated. Instead, LDS Inc. exercises one last hand of control.
What a goddamn cult.
We know by law that when you send a letter to LDS Inc. specifically resigning from the Corporation, by sending the letter; you have resigned - regardless of what LDS Inc. does after that. But as I stated before, many people need the confirmation letter as a form of healing - as a form of finality - that it is done, it is over and the path ahead is clear.
I am going to pursue over the next year legal council to find out what can be legally done in order to force LDS Inc. to change it's internal “rules” and waive the 30 period.
Think about this. When I baptized I signed NOTHING. I never entered into a legal contract with LDS Inc. I agreed “verbally” to be baptized. A piece of paper was filled out with my name, my mother's name, my father's name, my DOB and the date of the baptism. I did not sign it. I signed nothing and never signed anything stating that I was now a member - nor did I sign anything that stated if I should ever wish to resign that I must wait 30 days.
How can LDS Inc. legally hold members who wish to resign to a 30 day grace period, forcing humiliation on that member? I has to be changed - although I feel it will be like an ant biting the tail of a dragon.
Peace,
Infymus.
| | Sunday, Jul 31, 2005, at 09:57 AM How To Stop Giving Mormon Authority Figures Power Over You Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Weekly on the recovery boards there are posts concerning Mormons or Ex-Mormons who continue to attend LDS Ward meetings, either in support of a spouse, family, or hasn't yet found a way to leave. The one thing that I've found with all of them is that they allow Mormon authority figures to control them. This is not always the case and many do have the ability to say no.
This post concerns Mormon authority figures only. Everyone knows that obedience to authority (local officials, police, employment, etc.) is natural and doing so appropriately is healthy and normal. My dear wife – pregnant 3 months with our second child – for me is an authority. She wants Mexican food and an odouls? I jump!
Everything in the LDS Corporation has a meaning. Priesthood, Relief Society, callings… All of them are instruments in keeping members busy and not focusing on the reality of the outside world. All classes are taught from LDS Corporation printed manuals and outside material is discouraged. I often joke with my Mormon friends that very soon in the not-so-distant future, talks will come from a LDS Corporation approved and printed talk manual.
Mormon Ward members are carefully watched over by Bishops and their counselors. The look up to Stake Presidents as a more inspired class of priesthood. Any issues or trouble in the ward can be resolved at the Stake level with intervention from the Stake President. Stake Presidents determine authority levels in the hierarchy below them. While Bishops look up towards Stake Presidents, Stake Presidents look up towards the Seventy. The Seventy watch the Stakes and Wards.
From the Seventy up to the Patriarch to the Council of the Twelve to the First Presidency to the Prophet, realize carefully that it is a Corporation run as a carefully clean business and dominated with Mormon male authority figures. Because they are federally classified as a “Church”, and because you signed no contract, or licence, or formal enrollment article - they do not have to be accountable to you in any way. They will not show you internal numbers of any kind including membership record numbers, internal spending or annual earnings.
Remember: Mormons pay their tithing checks to: “The Corporation For The Presiding Bishop Of The Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints”.
The LDS Corporation has a very unique social class. Through the male hierarchy of the LDS Corporation (ranging from Deacons up to High Priests, including home teaching, visiting teaching, relief society, etc) the result is a tightly weaved web. When any member begins to falter, the web causes vibrations. If the vibrations are large enough, they make their way up the chain of command. At this point, Bishops and their entourage (including the Ward Clerk) take interest in you. Mormon authority figures will track you down in the Ward or home teachers will take more interest in you - or both!
Finally when they corner you and you let them take you into their little closed in "interrogation" rooms, you give them power over you. When someone in Mormon authority corners you and says you have to attend anything, just say no.. you give them the power by bending to their rules. You don't have to be rude, just say no thank you. And be prepared to say no thank you several times. No speech is necessary. No excuse is necessary. You don't have to give reasons. You don't have explain yourself. JUST SAY NO THANK YOU. If they call you on the phone requesting a meeting with Mormon authority, JUST SAY NO. If they stop at your house asking to come in, do not let them in the door, JUST SAY NO THANK YOU. When the Bishop stops by unannounced (as they usually do), do not let him in or you give him control. Politely decline and JUST SAY NO THANK YOU.
Remember: Just like the Miranda, “anything you say can and will be used against you in a Court of [Love] law”. Say nothing. Always say nothing. Remember that it is none of their business and telling them you may no longer believe will turn you into either a Ward project, or you will be under the scrutiny of the Bishop and now the Stake Presidency. Think of the Mormon allegory about “Milk before Meat”. If you tell the Bishop anything, you are instantly placed in a category where you need milk. If you are thinking Mormonism is a sham, then in their minds, you are either under the influence of Satan or reading too many anti-Mormon lies. Remember, “Milk before Meat” is simply broken down into those who appear to have Meat are more Holy. Those who are have yet to be convinced of the truthfulness of the LDS Corporation are in need of Milk. Those who question need Milk. In all reality, there is not one person who has Meat in Mormonism - only those who have the appearance of Meat. Meat, is power.
Cognitive Dissonance, aka, cog-dis.
Main Entry: cognitive dissonance
Function: noun
Description : psychological conflict resulting from non-conforming beliefs and attitudes held simultaneously.
There is no escape from their cog-dis deductions. Realize this right now. YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN YOUR REASONS. Mormons cannot and will not understand. If you do try to explain, they will point to scriptural reference, FARMS articles, “milk before meat”, “that's not doctrine”, “he was speaking as a man” and last but not least, drop into testifying to you the “Church Is True”. The sole reason that Mormons drop into testifying is because when you discuss items that are outside the approved material for them, their brains go into cog-dis (cognitive dissonance). When this happens the brain dumps into a fail safe mode and they begin babbling their testimonies in order to prevent the brain numbing effects of cog-dis.
Do not give Mormon Authority power over you. These are untrained men in a male dominated mega-billion dollar corporation. The priesthood power they have comes from the ability to command those around and below them into doing their will - for which they believe is the will of God. Those below “hero worship” those above and this chain moves from the lowest Deacon to the highest Apostle. Everyone below believes those above are more pious and thus entitled to more light from God. Those below without authority or power can be left to feel as if they cannot find the same God those above them have.
What you have to do is realize that all of them are uninspired men who use sensations under their nipples to determine God's will.
Fear, is the ultimate power. If someone fears you, you have enormous power. Do not fear Mormon authority. Mormon authority comes from their ability to corner you in their attempts to find out why your feelings or ideas are not in harmony with theirs. If you are Mormon and you are considering that the LDS Corporation may not be what it seems, try this approach. Next time a Mormon authority figure asks anything of you, stop and think about your feelings. Has your heart rate increased? Breathing increased? Anxiety? These are symptoms of fear. Know them, understand them and experience them. Learn to say NO. Learn that these feelings of anxiety are common and that you can experience them - and learn from them. In this article I wrote in 2/20/2005 after the Bishop of the Mormon Church in my area stopped by unannounced. He wanted to discuss with me my reasons for leaving the LDS Church. I gave him a few items but in return decided talking about any of them would be pointless and I told him so. In the end, I wrote “All in all it's the first time I've been in front of Mormon “authority” and it didn't raise my heart rate or make me feel uncomfortable. It's a good sign. I had nothing to prove and wasn't interested at all in his sales pitch.”
If you noticed in my statement above, I said “Bishop of the Mormon Church in my area”. I do not even wish to give them power by stating “Bishop of MY Ward”.
Sadly, too many know the truth but realize that leaving LDS Corp. could have unwanted side effects, such as, divorce, separation, loss of job, loss of friendships, etc.
| | Thursday, Aug 4, 2005, at 08:00 AM Quit Calling Me Your Brother (or Sister, If It Applies) Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | I framed my exit letter and I have it above my desk at home. I was reading through it again and noticed, "Dear Brother Infymus".
Ug.
I'm not your brother, Greg.
In fact, in my days of Mormonism I hated calling people brother and sister. It wreaked of cult. CULT CULT CULT. I just couldn't do it and so I never did and I cringed when people called me brother. UG!
And when I resigned, the Mormon ward had just received a new bishop. I never knew him. Three years later he pops by for a chat about my recent letter for ward directory name removal. Power suit and tie as usual - he stood there and called me Brother and told me how much he loved me.
UG! I just held my daughter in my arms and felt creeped out.
Don't call me brother...
Infymus.
| | Thursday, Aug 4, 2005, at 08:19 AM The Resignation Process - How Can It Be Changed? Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | COJCOLDS' policy on name removal is in several stages. Request resignation. Receive confirmation letter and "please come back" pamphlet. Wait 30 days. Finally, receive exit confirmation letter. Of course, it hardly ever works that way.
Mormonism's policy of forcing the member to wait 30 days is in question.
By participating in the Ex-Mormon world for the last four years, it has come to the conclusion of many ex-Mormons that the LDS Corp. processed an estimated 100,000 resignations during the year of 2004. Greg Dodge at Membership Records in the Church HQ recently increased his staff to handle the load. LDS Corp. has gone from printing nice colorful "Please Come Back" pamphlets to just attaching black & white photocopies of the same pamphlet.
The LDS Corporation must allow a person who wishes to resign their membership to do so in a professional manner that involves ONLY Corporation Membership. The LDS Corporation continues to ignore members who wish NO CONTACT by forcing the matter down to the Ward level.
No member signed any legal document making him or her a member of LDS Inc. No member should be forced to wait while untrained male clergy decide what is best for the member, including forcing a 30-wait period.
The United States has declared through case-law that any church member may resign from a church simply by drafting a signed letter stating the desired resignation. case law shows that the letter once delivered severs the tie between the member and the church, and that no other means are necessary. There is lawful precedent showing that persons who have requested name removal from other churches in the United States and who have been excommunicated instead of name removal - these persons have filed and won judgments against said churches. Unfortunately this works both ways for the member and the church. Persons cannot use legal means against the church in a reasonable way, however, the church retains an entire law firm (Kirton & McKonkie) to defend and enforce the Corporation Mormonism calls a “Church”. Because of case law ruling, the LDS Corp. is not required to provide any resignation letter or even contact you in any way.
For myself, I resigned July 2001 and the framed resignation letter sits above my desk at home. That letter is the beginning state of healing on the long road to recovery from Mormonism. This is something the LDS Corp. cannot fathom - that a person would need to recover from their dominating hierarchy. The LDS Corporation has no idea how many people it has hurt. In my opinion, LDS Corp. does not really care because it sees those who resign as tares among the wheat. Any TBM has read many books showing how the even the “Elect would be deceived” or “Satan will have great.” - you get the picture.
The only way the LDS Church will change internal “policy” is with legal precedent or perhaps a grass-roots campaign. Neither are cheap, however, I'm sure that every single person who resigned would be willing to sign.
Your thoughts?
For full resignation information, visit Kathy Worthington's site http://www.mormonnomore.com
I am in the process of writing a very large primer on the full process of resignation. I understand that others, such as Kathy, have full pages on how to resign, however, they tend to lack the reality of what happens during the resignation process. Not many people realize that it takes some persons up to two years after resignation to remove their garments from daily use. Some keep them in drawers or boxes or special places for as many as seven years. It is amazing how much fear Mormonism creates in people. Truly it is freedom when you can stand aside the cult and not fear it.
Infymus.
| | Monday, Oct 17, 2005, at 08:27 AM Stake Delivers New Stake Directories - Surprise! My Name And Daughter's Name Omitted! Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | This weekend I was watching TV when a large suburban pulled up to my driveway. Out of the back pops a little girl, probably under 10 years old with a small book in her hand. She rushes up the driveway and plops the book down on my doorstep and hurries back.
Ah yes, that time of year again, the Mormon Stake Directory.
I quickly scanned through to the Ward of which my home is located and found my wife's name - and only my wife's name. Yes! The bishop honored my formal written request that my name and my daughter's name be omitted from Mormon Church Directories.
So a word to those who are no longer members but are still listed in Mormon Directories - you can also have your names removed from there.
I am sure, however, that in a while when the Ward Clerks or whomever the little obedient servants of the Bishop are out there are replaced, I will have to start all over.
However, I chock it up to a small victory.
Cheers!
Infymus.
| | Monday, Oct 31, 2005, at 07:02 AM Gordon B. Hinckley: Blacks Need To Be Developed. Mormonism Is Trying To Help Them. Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | In 2002 a German reporter interviewed Gordon B. Hinckley. The reporter asked Gordon the following:
“Until 1978, no person of color attained priesthood in your church. Why it took so long time to overcome the racism?”
Gordon responded:
“I don't know. I don't know. I can only say that. But it's… We're… It's here now. We're carrying on a very extensive work in Africa, for instance. We're carrying a very substantial work in Brazil. We're working among these people, we're developing them. Uh, we have them among the leadership of the Church. And they're able, they do a great work, and we love them, and appreciate them. And respect them, and are trying to help them.”
So according to Gordon B. Hinckley, blacks are in need of development. Blacks are in need of help. And prior to 1978, the Mormon God and the Mormon Church did not consider blacks worthy of being developed or being helped. 150 years of Mormon Doctrine show the countless verses where Mormon leaders have stated that Blacks were an inferior race.
Blacks everywhere should rejoice that the Mormon God has now decreed that they now may be “Developed” and “Helped”, since of course, according to the words spoken above by one Mormon Prophet Gordon B. Hinckley - blacks are in need of development and need help in doing so.
Blacks in Africa are among the poorest in the world. The entire reason that the Mormon Church built a temple and is “Helping” the black people in Africa is a complete PR MOVE. There is no money to be had in Africa. The cost of building and maintaining temples and churches in Africa is exorbitant. Blacks in Africa are taught the “New Gospel” and the old racist teachings of past Mormon Prophets are purposefully hidden from them. Gordon B. Hinckley's response to the question why would be, as he has stated before, “That was the past. We go forward.” Of course, Gordon B. Hinckley doesn't state the obvious fact that the Mormon Church is ridding the African Blacks of their "heathen" ways and "heathen religions" and instituting good clean WHITE MAN rules and regulations and a WHITE GOD to worship.
With the passing of the great Rosa Parks this weekend, I think personally that all blacks have helped themselves and developed themselves - thank you very much. They never needed the Mormon God or the Mormon so-called “Prophet” to step in and “Develop” them and “Help them”.
Mormonism has always been and will always continue to be a racist organization. Gordon B. Hinckley and current leaders of the Mormon Church refuse to apologize for the countless racist writings passed down from the beginning of the Mormon Church. The Mormon Church still continues to teach that Blacks are less valiant and are born “Black” because they were less valiant in the “Pre-Existence” and therefore are cursed to follow the lineage of Cain. THIS DOCTRINE IS STILL TAUGHT IN MORMON CHURCHES TODAY. The Mormon Church now busily eradicates all old doctrines by simply omitting them from current Church History books and lesson manuals.
Mormonism, isn't it about time?
| | Wednesday, Nov 2, 2005, at 09:04 AM Attended A Funeral Of A Good Friend Last Night Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | I attended the funeral of a friend last night. John (name changed) had been a member of the Mormon Church his whole life, but being a practicing homosexual, he was resigned only to play the piano and sing in the choir. Three years ago John moved to San Francisco. Two years ago he was diagnosed with AIDS but he refused to believe that he was infected. He put it out of his mind and continued to live - all the while his health began to decline. About six months ago, AIDS had ravaged his body and mind so badly, he no longer understood who he was or where he was. His father took a train out to SF and brought him home. At local hospitals again they reiterated that John had AIDS and needed immediate AIDS treatment - again he refused. Over the last few days of his life he slipped into a coma and died peacefully there.
It was held in at a funeral home in Salt Lake City. Had the funeral been held in a Mormon Church, I would not have attended, but would have visited the family at their residence to convey my condolences. I have a strict rule now that I'm Ex-Mormon - I will never step foot in any Mormon Church or Mormon Conference Center and I have changed my will to reflect that upon my death, it will not be in a Mormon Church or under the direction of Mormon clergy.
I've never been in a funeral home so I didn't know what to expect. Inside the home there was a large chapel and to my dismay, it looked and smelled exactly like all of the Utah Mormon Churches built in the early part of the 1970's. Cinder block walls painted white, wooden benches covered in fabric - everything reeking of cheapness.
When I found a place to sit I noticed there were several scattered Mormon hymnbooks on the pews. At first I just pushed it aside and sat down, but then I got a wild hair, picked up the book, turned to page 242 and began twinkling my eyes. I hoped that when I opened them I'd be on Kolob but it alas, it never happened.
The funeral was presided over by a Mormon Bishop of the ward that John lived in. I had to squint and close my eyes to keep myself from rolling them too much. The Bishop continued to spout off how he believed that John had a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and that John was now in the loving arms of his Savior. I had forgotten the low, rolling speak that Mormons use when talking - that uninspired melodramatic “General Authority” speak that just makes you cringe.
The best part of the meeting was seeing friends, family and neighbors speak about his life. Even though we were not really in a Mormon Church, everyone ended his or her best wishes with “In the name of Cheese and Rice, Amen”, or something like that.
It amazes me how much Mormons use funerals as proselytizing sessions. The attitudes are “isn't it wonderful that we're not depressed at funerals because we know so much about the afterlife.” The Bishop just went on and on about how wonderful the gospel was because they have the “One and True Church” and that the “Plan of Salvation” was so wonderful. I couldn't help but think that this man who died - of AIDS - who was a practicing homosexual - was everything this Mormon Church hated. The Mormon Prophet has spoken out against homosexuals that they “Have problems”. It was sad to know that deep down underneath it all, all the Mormons in the room quietly sat in disgust about the choices John made in his life.
I kept my mouth shut. It wasn't my family, it wasn't my religion - and wasn't my place to make comments and I was careful not to let my disgust of Mormonism get in the way of the nice talks given by friends and family about John's life.
So long John.
Infymus.
| | Monday, Feb 6, 2006, at 09:01 AM The Arm Of The Flesh Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | I don't usually sleep in all that much anymore and I find myself getting up earlier as the years roll on. My father in law gets up at 5:30 and goes for a walk. I ask why and he smiles and says that it was a beautiful morning. He walked, smelled the fresh air and communed with nature and his God.
Good enough answer.
I think as I age I will most likely do the same. There is a peace you can gain by being alone with yourself to think and walk. We encapsulate our lives in our homes and our cars, and the outside world is often far away.
When I was a Mormon I walked out into the field by our home. I spent a great deal of time there on my knees before God pleading with him for help and just a hint that he was truly there. Week after week after week I would cry out to him. Before that when I was a teenage Mormon, I would stand out on the top of a small mountain peak, somewhere between 2am and 5am, high in the mountains - Book of Mormon in hand - pleading for God and understanding.
I never heard an answer. Not once. Not a sign, not a vision, not a burning my bosom, no sensations in my heart or my mind - nothing. Not a single answer in all 16 years in Mormonism.
At first I thought that God hated me. I truly believed that I just was not perfect enough to have God in my life. I felt that I was far too much a sinner and a bad person. Mormon doctrine taught me that no matter how hard I tried, I would be an "unprofitable servant". I was taught not to "tempt" God, and I felt foolish and vain for trying Moroni's promise again and again. I remember that Joseph Smith was a servant for the longest time in the D&C; and then later on, Jesus called him "Friend". I wanted to be a friend.
Mormons told me that I had already received an answer. I was told to stop trying and to start obeying. If I was not paying my tithing, fulfilling my full duties to Mormonism including attending and callings - then I was not worthy enough to receive an answer. I was told that all of my questions and feelings would be answered in the temple of God. However, the Temple of God only contained strange rituals, hushed tones and complete obedience. No answers could be gained by learning secret handshakes, being assigned a new "name" (what was wrong with my name?), wearing strange clothing and swearing an oath that I would give everything I owned to Mormonism if it asked it. When the Temple ceremonies are finished, the questions are unanswered and a thousand more questions to ask are considered too sacred to speak of.
I always thought that God would start with the simplest path in communication with his children - rather than a long drawn process of payments and hard labor. I found in Mormonism that God forced labor and payments on his children and expected them to love him first before he ever loved them. He was spiteful, hateful and murderous. He was like an abusive parent that would physically abuse you and tell you he loved you at the same time. If you didn't obey you suffered sever consequences. If you did obey, well, it just wasn't good enough, here's some more punishment.
Over the course of time I relied less and less on God and more and more on myself. Mormons call this "the arm of the flesh". As I progressed through the years, I worked hard to understand my depression and understand my life. I wrote thousands of pages in my journals - I sought professional counseling.
I began to realize that I had furthered myself in my career because of my own hard work and determination. I realized that I had changed my life - not God, not Mormonism - I was in charge. I realized that I did not have to acknowledge God for anything.
I wrote my exit letter to Mormonism and started on the path of an agnostic. I began to change. My life became more open. My depression began to lift. I took charge; I began to live my life more fully without having to rely on a God or a Church or a Priesthood or a Holy Ghost. I relied on myself, my own true feelings, my own personal worth.
Over time the fear of retribution from the Mormon God began to fade. My life did not get any harder. I was not struck dumb, I was not struck by lightening, I was not diseased nor maimed nor broken. Slowly I realized the Mormon God had no power, no authority over me - I was truly free. Occasionally I would hear from a Mormon that I could not cheat God and that I would be held accountable at the judgment bar. Even that threat faded with time as I realized these Mormons were still under the Mormon Church's power.
Take back your life from Mormonism. Do not believe the lies they tell you that you cannot be anything without them. Believe in yourself. Trust in the arm of your own flesh and live your life without fear. Be at peace with yourself and with your own mortality.
It can be done - I have done it.
Peace,
Infymus.
| | Monday, Mar 27, 2006, at 01:26 AM 2006 Spring Youth Women's Conference Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | This weekend the Mormons had their women's conference.
"Maybe some of us would rather help with hurricane relief than home relief. Both are important, but home relief is our primary and eternal responsibility." - Susan W. Tanner.
So helping out is important, but staying home and being pregnant and being obedient is what the woman should do. Regardless of your honors and schooling, staying home is key.
Careers and activities outside the home are inappropriate for Mormon Women. Your full responsibility is to be subservient to your male Priesthood Authority, bare children and stay in the home. If you have received an education, then your education is only to be used in the teaching of your children, not to further yourself or your career. Again, it cannot be stressed enough: Your job is to stay in the home, have babies - and obey the male Priesthood Authority.
Your sole job is to be a mother. You have no Priesthood and no authority. You are to have babies and obey the male Priesthood Authority. Find joy in the knowledge that it is the Male who will make all of the decisions. Remember that obedience to the male is the most important part of your life next to having babies and sustaining the Priesthood.
Helping hurricane victims is nice, but service and good works should stay within the Mormon community. Pay your tithing, fast offerings and missionary funds to the Mormon Corporation only. Shovel your neighbors' walk as long as they are Mormons. Bake food and goodies for sick Mormon neighbors. Bake goodies for those who have "lost" their testimonies in hopes that they will find their way.
Honors are fine and education is fine as long as that learning fits within the bounds of the current doctrine. Remember that obedience is the first step in receiving the love of Jesus Christ. Remember that learning should be solely directed towards the Gospel of Jesus Christ as dictated by Joseph Smith and the current Prophets. Intellectualism, facts, figures and scientific studies are absolutely meaningless. Ignore DNA evidence. Ignore scientific evidence. Nothing can be proven. Remember that modern day Prophets of the LDS Corporation have spoken out against so called "Intellectuals". Do not be an intellectual. Remember the words, "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done." (Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)
Seek for Truth and Righteousness - as long as "truth" and "righteousness" is dictated by Mormonism. Do not look into the past teachings of the Prophets of the Church Of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Repeat only what you are taught and no more. Remember the words of Boyd K. Packer wherein he stated, "Some things that are true are not very useful." (Boyd K. Packer, The Mantle is Far Far Greater Than The Intellect)
Obey the male authority in the home and in the Mormon Corporation. Males hold all of the keys and all of the power; women have no power and no authority. Remember that you are of breeding stock. You are to have children and leave all of the decisions and authority to the male.
You may only know of the truth by "feelings". When you feel that burning sensation in your chest - then you will know the truth. Remember that obedience is only way to receive the full promptings of the spirit. If it "feels good", then it must "be good". Remember that facts, figures, or so-called "Scientific Evidence" can never be trusted.
Remember that if you do not obey the male Priesthood Authority, you will not be allowed in the Celestial Kingdom. Remember that when and -if- you are allowed into the Celestial Kingdom (your husband is the only one who can pull you through the veil), you will be one of many wives (see D&C; Section 132). Remember that Polygamy is the everlasting doctrine of salvation and exaltation in the Celestial Kingdom. You will be pregnant forever and one of many hundreds of wives to your male Priesthood Authority. When new worlds are created your name will never be mentioned. Your children will never be allowed to communicate with you, nor pray to you or about you. You will not be mentioned in any scriptural doctrine and your name will never be known.
How long will it be before women begin to protest being objectified as breeding stock and second class citizens?
| | Thursday, Mar 30, 2006, at 07:40 AM Rabbit-Proof Fence Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Has anyone seen the movie, "Rabbit-Proof Fence"?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252444/
It's a movie about three young aboriginal children taken from their families and placed with affluent white families in the hopes of breeding the savageness out of them. They ran away and traveled 1200 miles back to their families. Based on a true story. Two of them made it, the other was never heard from again when she was recaptured on the way.
I watched it last nite and it just broke my heart.
I was reminded of the Lamanite placement program instituted by the LDS Corporation. They placed "Lamanites" - mostly Navajo children and placed them in white affluent LDS families in hopes of breeding the "Lamanite" out of them.
Spencer W. Kimball remarked that they were several shades "whiter" than those living on the reservations.
“The day of the Lamanites is nigh. For years they have been growing delightsome, and they are now becoming white and delightsome, as they were promised. In this picture of the twenty Lamanite missionaries, fifteen of the twenty were as light as Anglos;...The children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation.” (Improvement Era, December 1960, p922-923)
Just one more thing you may not have known about this cult.
Imagine having your children taken away from you and placed with Islamic families in the hope of breeding "Christianity" out of them.
From Wikipedia:
The Indian Placement Program, or Indian Student Placement Program was a program of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1947 to 1996, where Native American students (upon request by their parents) were voluntarily placed in white Latter-day Saint foster homes during the school year, where they would attend public schools and become assimilated into Mormon culture.
Beginning in the 1970s, however, the Indian Placement Program came under criticism. In 1977, the U.S. government commissioned a study to investigate accusations that the Church was using its influence to push children into joining the program. The commission rejected these accusations, however, finding that the program was largely positive, and enjoyed emphatic support both from Native American parents and white foster parents. However, the program became increasingly controversial. Supporters believed that exposure to white culture was beneficial to Native American children, and that it improved educational and economic opportunities, while critics believed that program undermined the children's Native American identity.
In 1989, George P. Lee, a Navajo member of the First Quorum of the Seventy who had participated in the Indian Placement Program in his youth, was excommunicated soon after he had submitted to the Church a 23-page letter critical of the program. (However, this excommunication may have had more to do with a charge of child molestation, to which he later pleaded guilty.) By the late 1980s, however, the program had been in decline, and in 1996, it was abandoned.
NOTE: The article above was removed from Wiki by Mormon Apologists and replaced with faith promoting material. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamanite
| | Wednesday, Apr 19, 2006, at 07:00 AM The Plan Of Salvation Is Horseshit In A Bowl, Covered With Sugar And Syrup - Once You Get Through The Layers You Taste The Flaws Within It Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | When I was an ultra-TBM I wrote the following piece on the Plan of Salvation. That piece could stand being revised and rewritten. I wrote it back in 1993 when I was ultra-TBM. I argued with my Bishop and Stake President over the fact that the Mormon God's plan of salvation was ultimately a plan of compulsion.
I got the standard run around that I chose my destiny in the pre-existence and I'm here on earth now because I chose correctly. I was told that I was “looking beyond the mark” and that all of the answers were not readily available. In essence, I got my first “you must have milk before meat” bullshit. I was told to stop studying the gospel and to “put those questions on the shelf for later”, and to pay, pray and obey.
I couldn't put it down. I was disgusted that I had “thought” I had found the true church, and yet, God's plan was flawed - it did not provide anyone with agency and the plan contained massive prisons to house those who were in disagreement with him.
I began to see quite clearly why there was a war in heaven. I didn't believe the Mormon tale that Satan has “deceived” the spirit children into fighting against God - I believed that the war in heaven was truly based on the poorly formulated plan of salvation and how it would ultimately lead to the incarceration of billions of souls.
Ultimately what led me out of the Mormon Church was direct defiance to God. I turned my back on him because I refused to accept his plan any longer. I figured that I would be one of those who in the end would battle God for the defense and justice of His children. We needed to be free - free of a God who imprisoned anyone who did not wish to “kiss his ass” so to say.
I began to say, that if God judges all men, who judges God? When I asked this of other TBM friends I was scoffed at. Nobody had ever considered the possibility that God himself should be judged. The very thought was heresy.
Ultimately after I had my name removed I joined the ex-Mormon movement and began to unravel Mormonism piece by piece. Eventually I came to the conclusion that Mormonism was an absolute and complete fraud - perpetrated by a convicted criminal, a polygamist, a polyandrist - and a pedophile - one Joseph Smith Jr.
That is when it all began to make sense - the plan of salvation was just a plan neatly created by a cultish organization, packaged with a big red ribbon and sold to all potential converts as a “nice” little plan whereby all mankind could be saved.
It's horseshit in a bowl covered with sugar and syrup, and I ate it for years until I got through the layers and found the flaws within it.
| | Wednesday, May 17, 2006, at 08:00 AM Even I Get Visits From The Missionaries Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Last night after dinner I was playing with my daughter when I saw two young men cross the front porch towards the door. I immediately recognized them as Mormons and they rang the bell.
I said, “Oh my god, Mormon missionaries!” My wife said, “Do you want me to get it?” “No, I'll take care of it.”
Two young men, one Caucasian, the other obvious Polynesian eagerly shook my hand and stated, “We were just in the neighborhood and we'd like to say HI.”
For a moment I stared at these two young boys. They had no idea that they were standing in front of one of the largest “Anti”-Mormons around. They had no clue just how vast a collection of “Anti” material I have available for anyone to see at any time.
I shrugged and put my compassionate hat on.
“Number one,” I replied, “Missionaries are never in the neighborhood, and you were assigned here by your Zone Leader. And two, you don't want to say HI; you want to try and sell me your story about Joseph Smith and his golden plates. Sorry, but I'm not interested at all.”
“Do you know of anyone else in the neighborhood that might be interested?” one of them said.
“No, everyone in this neighborhood is Mormon already.” I replied and shut the door and went back to playing with my daughter.
“Thank you for not being rude.” My wife said, being that she is still somewhat Mormon if not fully “Jack” at that.
“I'm not interested in a fight tonight.” I replied, “Besides, they are young brainwashed boys who are not responsible for the lies and deceit their corporation has stuffed down their throats since they were born.”
Zone Leaders aren't stupid. They know who is and who is not Mormon in any given neighborhood. Our home is smack in the middle of Mormon Central on the East side of the Salt Lake Valley. You can't swing a stick in any direction without smacking a Mormon. Go outside and shake any given tree - and at least five Mormons will fall out. The Zone Leader and these Missionaries targeted our home. Even though my resignation letter fully stated that I wanted absolutely no contact whatsoever, I'm pretty sure that the Zone Leader or the Missionaries themselves decided perhaps my heart may have “softened” and if they could only get their “message” into my heart again, I'd jump right back on the Joseph Smith bandwagon again.
No thanks. I could never go back to that hellhole again.
If the world was on fire and the only place of safety was in a Mormon Church, I'd turn around and walk out into the flames.
Mormonism - it's never “about time”.
| | Tuesday, Jun 6, 2006, at 08:40 AM A View Of Hinkster's Condo Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | This is a picture of the Mormon Prophet's 2400+ sq foot Condo estimated at $2.8 million dollars. The entire top floor belongs to the Prophet. There are "special" elevators that are guarded by Mormon Secret Police (men dressed in all black suits, white shirts and dark ties, ear pieces and microphones in their sleeves, who carry actual police looking "badges"). These elevators go down underground where tunnels allow the Prophet to travel to any part of Tempe Square without having to be driven. The tunnels are large enough that Hinckley can be taken by private golf-cart.
| | Friday, Jun 30, 2006, at 07:42 AM Personal Thanks To The Ex-Mormon Community Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | This week I received in my email my 37th “Thank you for maintaining the Mormon Curtain. Because of the MC, [I have left the Mormon Church], [I and my family have now left the Mormon Church]." Each time I receive one of these emails I know that what I am doing in the face of great adversity has made a positive impact.
Thirty-Seven people are not a lot considering the number of individuals coerced or tricked into Mormonism, however; thirty-seven people and many of their family members are no longer part of the cult of Mormonism.
I am not the one to thank. No, I have merely performed a service. The ones to thank are you, the Ex-Mormons who contribute your messages of hope to those who are under the yoke of Mormonism. Thank you to the Ex-Mormons who have bared their hearts and spoke out against Mormonism and the grief they suffered. Thank you to the highly knowledgably Ex-Mormons who have taken the Mormon Apologists like Daniel C. Peterson to task and challenged his large words and his attempt to obfuscate the truth, belittle Mormon Critics and Ex-Mormons alike.
Thank you Bob McCue for gently nudging me for over six months back in 2004 to put together the Mormon Curtain and provide this service to the world. Thank you Steve Benson, Tal Bachman, Randy Jordon, Harmony, Marq, Peter_Mary, and countless countless others who have contributed some of the best articles.
Thank you Ryan M., my friend, for hosting the Mormon Curtain and watching the gigabytes of bandwidth flow out each month. Even Mormonism has affected you in your youth.
Thank you Daniel C. Peterson and FARMS for your role in all of this. Your continued work on changing history, inventing ideas and discrediting authors has helped the Ex-Mormon community. Your work helps to show Mormons just how ludicrous Mormonism is and more and more people leave Mormonism because of your contributions.
Again I thank the Ex-Mormon community. Don't stop posting. Share your feelings and share your experiences. Those with knowledge of early Mormon Church history - share your vast information. Do not let the Mormon Apologists have the last word.
I will be on vacation until the 17th of July. My father lives 1100 miles away and this weekend will hold his grandson for the first time. The whole family needs a break and this one is well deserved.
Take care all and have a happy and safe Fourth of July holiday.
Peace,
Infymus.
| | Tuesday, Jul 25, 2006, at 07:09 AM Yellowstone For Me Was A Turning Point In My Belief In Mormonism Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Yellowstone for me was a turning point in my belief in Mormonism.
When I was in my early 20's I was seriously struggling with Mormonism and God. So I packed up a tent, sleeping back, my Book of Mormon, a little bit of cash for gas and headed for Yellowstone.
I know Yellowstone well as my father took me all over showing me the whole park. I've been many times, visited all the lakes, rivers, paint pots, Old Faithful, etc.
After setting up tent, I fasted, prayed and read my Book of Mormon for three straight days. I prayed hard for guidance. The Book of Mormon was full of prophets who always prayed and fasted for three straight days. I wanted a testimony of the truth. I wanted to know if Joseph Smith was a prophet - even though I was already baptized. I wanted to know if God loved me. It was the hardest act of faith I had ever accomplished.
After three days I received nothing. No answer, no vision, no scriptural reference, nothing. I was starving and weak. I got into my car, nearly fainting and drove to a restaurant and ate the best hamburger I think I've ever had. Truth is, I didn't taste it as I practically inhaled it, fries and a coke.
I went back to my camp, packed up and went home. I figured at that point that God was not interested at all in talking to me. That I didn't have enough faith, that I did not have enough Spirit. When I spoke to my bishop about it, the blame was put on me - I had already received my confirmation and that is why I did not receive an answer. And while my intentions may have been good, I may have mocked and offended God by trying to find a real answer.
It was not until many years later that I realized that Mormonism is this way. Blame the member. If you didn't get an answer, you were not faithful enough. Oh, and a wicked generation seeketh after an answer didn't you know that? Don't ask, don't whine, shut up and pay, pray and obey.
Now I look back and feel foolish. Controlled. It was not my fault I received nothing. I was duped into believing the Church was true. Even so, my heart was pure and my intentions good.
Now that I know that Joseph Smith's Church was just that - Joseph Smith's Church, I realize now I would never have received anything. I could have locked myself in the supply closet praying that I'd find the one golden paperclip hidden within - and I would have received the same answer.
Mormons don't understand why those who leave Mormonism need to “Recover”. They are under the same mantle of “blame the member”, and blaming the member is easier than really viewing the facts for themselves.
Recover we must.
| | Friday, Oct 13, 2006, at 07:32 AM Ex-Mormon Conference Pre-Get Together With Bob McCue Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Last night a gathering of friends (who all happen to be Ex-Mormons) got together at The Bayou in Salt Lake City. I stopped by early at Bob's hotel and took him over. We settled in at about 7:15pm, ordered some beers and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves. Bob's first beer in Salt Lake City? A Polygamy Porter. Myself? With over 200 beers on tap, I ordered a Bud Light. Next time perhaps I'll be a little more daring.
It was so refreshing to be with a group who understood how I felt as an Ex-Mormon. To shake the hands of so many who all could say, "I know, I understand how you feel." To be with a group whose concern was your well being - not what ward you lived in, if you had gone on a mission or if you were temple worthy.
I think I made some new friends who live locally here and I hope to join them again.
In 2001 I had my name removed from the records of the Mormon Church. I left Mormonism because I could not in good conscience remain a Mormon after over a decade of hard study of Mormon Doctrine. After my re-baptism in July of 1993, I felt as if something was missing - as if something was wrong.
I wrote shortly thereafter;
“I have felt ill of late. I've been sick for the last four days. I've also been in a cloud of depression. I haven't been able to feel much of anything the last week since my baptism. It's as if it wasn't meant to be - but I'm not sure about it at all. I find myself thinking that I'm a member - yet sometimes I don't know what that means. Membership? Yes, of course, I'm a member. I just don't understand. I've done everything I've been asked to do and yet I feel - nothing.”
For years I studied Mormon Doctrine and in a nutshell, I came to the conclusion that I could not with good conscience follow the Mormon God's plan. In my opinion it was a plan of compulsion - either follow him or be damned. I opted for choice number three: I want out completely. Since there was no other choice - do it or die - I decided I would die. I removed my name from the records of God's “Church” and walked away in full open rebellion against him. I would rather die than be forced to follow His plan.
I spent several years in depression until January of 2004 when I found Recovery From Mormonism (RFM). As I began reading I came across Bob McCue's material and ended up on Bob's Site. There I poured over his documents and found a psychological and sociological aspect of Mormonism and began to identify behavioral patterns that I myself had been following. I continued to read RFM and Bob's documents and suddenly I realized the Mormon Church was a house of cards - and it began to collapse. I began to see the fraud for which it was. I began to see the lies told to me by Mormon Church leaders. I began to see that Joseph Smith was a far different character than what Church Leaders had told me. I began to unravel those parts of the Mormon Gospel that I was told to shelve - stop trying to figure out - and Pay, Pray and Obey.
I'm grateful for people like Bob McCue (above) who helped me in my journey from out of the depressive, monolithic and abusive organization known as the Mormon Church.
Thank you Bob.
| | Wednesday, Nov 22, 2006, at 06:56 AM Joseph Smith Arranged Marriages And Had Sex With Teenage Girls - Why Is He Listed Next To Jesus Christ In Mormonism While Warren Jeffs Sits In A Jail Cell? Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | With the latest court case surrounding Warren Jeffs marrying and having sex with a teenage girl, I thought I'd look at Joseph Smith's track record of teenage girls. The LDS Church worships Joseph Smith so much that they created a Christmas manger scene at BYU - and placed Joseph Smith in the manger. Right now you can watch Joseph Smith: Prophet of the Restoration in the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in downtown Salt Lake City (owned by the Mormon Church) - and it will not mention anything about Joseph Smith's 14, 16, and 17 year old wives. It will not mention Joseph sending men off on missions and then marrying their wives (polyandry).
No, clearly modern day Mormonism has white washed and cleaned up their shining star one Joseph Smith Jr. There is no way he could be like Warren Jeffs and have teenage brides - or is there?
Let's look at Joseph Smith's teenage brides:
- 1833, fanny Alger - 16 years old.
- 1842, Sarah Ann Whitney - 17 years old.
- 1843, Flora Ann Woodworth - 16 years old.
- 1843 Lucy Walker - 17 years old.
- 1843 Sarah Lawrence - 17 years old.
- 1843 Helen Mar Kimball - 14 years old
- 1843 Nancy Winchester - 14 years old
From the >Wives Of Joseph Smith.org:
Benjamin Johnson, a close friend of Joseph Smith, described Fanny as, “very nice and comely, [to whom] everyone Seemed partial for the amiability of her character.” She is generally considered the first plural wife of Joseph Smith. Although undocumented, the marriage of Fanny and Joseph most likely took place in Kirtland, Ohio sometime in 1833. She would have been sixteen years old. At the time, Fanny was living in the Smith home, perhaps helping Emma with housework and the children. Ann Eliza Webb recalls, “Mrs. Smith had an adopted daughter, a very pretty, pleasing young girl, about seventeen years old.
She was extremely fond of her; no mother could be more devoted, and their affection for each other was a constant object of remark, so absorbing and genuine did it seem”.
Joseph kept his marriage to Fanny out of the view of the public, and his wife Emma. Chauncey Webb recounts Emma's later discovery of the relationship: “Emma was furious, and drove the girl, who was unable to conceal the consequences of her celestial relation with the prophet, out of her house”. Ann Eliza again recalls: “...it was felt that [Emma] certainly must have had some very good reason for her action. By degrees it became whispered about that Joseph's love for his adopted daughter was by no means a paternal affection, and his wife, discovering the fact, at once took measures to place the girl beyond his reach...Since Emma refused decidedly to allow her to remain in her house...my mother offered to take her until she could be sent to her relatives...”
Book of Mormon witness, Oliver Cowdery, felt the relationship was something other than a marriage. He referred to it as “A dirty, nasty, filthy affair...” To calm rumors regarding Fanny's relationship with Joseph, the church quickly adopted a “Chapter of Rules for Marriage among the Saints”, which declared,
“Inasmuch as this church of Christ has been reproached with...polygamy; we declare that we believe, that one man should have one wife...” This “Article on Marriage” was canonized and published in the Doctrine & Covenants. In 1852, the doctrine of polygamy was publicly announced, thus ending eighteen years of secret practice. “The Article on Marriage” became obsolete and was later removed.
Fanny stayed with relatives in nearby Mayfield until about the time Joseph fled Kirtland for Missouri.
Benjamin Johnson remembers: “Soon after the Prophet['s] flight in the winter of '37...The Alger Family left for the west and Stop[ped] in Indiana for a time...Soon [Fanny] Married to one of the Citizens of ther & altho she never left the State She did not turn from the Church nor from her friendship for the Prophet while She lived..” Benjamin continued, “And I Can now See that as at Nauvoo - So at Kirtland That the Suspicion or Knowledge of the Prophets Plural Relations was one of the Causes of Apostasy & disruption at Kirtland altho at the time there was little said publicly upon the Subject.” Fanny lived the rest of her life in Indiana with her children and husband, Solomon Custer. http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/02-...
Joseph Smith married and had sex with teenage girls. So did Warren Jeffs. Joseph Smith arranged marriages of women to men. So did Warren Jeffs.
Joseph Smith is hailed as a Prophet, Seer and Revelator - the greatest man that ever lived save Jesus Christ himself. http://www.josephsmith.net/portal/sit...
Warren Jeffs sits in a prison cell accused of rape. http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_4703245...
The LDS Church states:
"Polygamists and polygamist organizations that occasionally make the news are not dissident wings of the Church or fundamentalists. They have no affiliation whatsoever with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Most of their members have never had any association with the Church either." http://www.lds.org/newsroom/mistakes/...
The LDS Church always carefully words everything it writes. Technically not a single member of the FLDS Church has ever had any assocation with the "current" LDS Church. And technically not a single member or the FLDS organization has any "CURRENT" affilication with the "current" LDS Church. However, the LDS Church lies when it states that the FLDS Church is "not dissident". "Dissident" means "Disagreeing or dissenting, as in opinion or attitude" or "One who disagrees, a dissenter". The FLDS Church is a direct dissenting organization that "dissented" from the LDS Church in the 1890s. The LDS Church does not want the public to understand this. They wish the FLDS Church would go away because of the bad press the LDS Church receives from polygamous churches.
Warren Jeffs is the leader of the Fundamentalist Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints or the FLDS. On 26 Sep 1890 Wilford Woodruff, President (Prophet) of the LDS Church released the "Polygamy Manifesto" in which he stated:
"I publicly declare that my advice to the Latter-day Saints is to refrain from contracting any marriages forbidden by the law of the land."
Brigham Young stated in the Journal Of Discourses (Vol 5., p 203) that Polygamy was "essential" to the highest degree of salvation and would never be taken from earth. When the Polygamy Manifesto was released, many in the LDS Church believed the True Church had become corrupt and gone into apostasy. Groups of them left the LDS Church and settled in Southern Utah and Arizona (Colorado City) and became the FLDS Church. There they continued to modern day following the teachings of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith.
The FLDS Church follows the teachings of Brigham Young and Joseph Smith more than the LDS Church does. Today, the LDS Church hides the fact that it was and continues to be a Polygamist organization. Today LDS "Doctrine And Covenants" Section 132 still exists and is canonized by the LDS Church. It states:
"If any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else. And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified."
This D&C; Section 132 allows current LDS men to marry more than one woman. Elder Russell M. Nelson, current living General Authority (23 Nov 2006) has two wives, marrying Wendy L. Watson in the Salt Lake Temple for "All Eternity", making her his second "Spiritual Wife". His first wife is dead, therefore is not practicing "temporal" polygamy, but according to the records of the LDS Church - he has two wives.
The truth is - no matter how much the LDS Church lies about the FLDS Church not having any connection to them - the FLDS Church is more connected to the LDS Church than they can imagine. Both worship Joseph Smith. Both use the Book of Mormon. Both believe in the full succession of the Aaronic and Melchizedek Priesthoods. However, the LDS Church practices "Temple Polygamy" while the FLDS practice "Temporal Polygamy".
| | Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007, at 10:13 AM Judge Tosses Cybersquatting Suit Against Pro-Mormon Group Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Let FAIR gloat about it. Allen Wyatt is a snake and will not hesitate to back stab, lie, cheat or steal in order to protect Mormonism.
Allen Wyatt registered the sites with similar names to the UTLM. Allen Wyatt stole the UTLM website layout (HTML), changed the links to "Pro" Mormon material, and placed the copied site onto his new registered sites.
The sole purpose: Lying for the Lord. Trick persons who know nothing of Mormonism into "Milk before Meat". Mormons want you to learn about Mormonism from them, not anyone else. That way they can carefully hide all of the ghosts in the closet until it is much too late. Investigators are stealthily lead into accepting assumptions about God and his plan for man and the need for leadership / authority / priesthood on earth. Don't ask, don't tell.
If you look at the SLTRIB article, you see that perhaps UTLM didn't have a way of suing Allen Wyatt without using the cyber squatting angle. In the end, that angle didn't pan out because Wyatt (while not obviously) didn't benefit in a monetary way by doing what he did.
Oh, and alleging that Allen knew nothing of what was being done is ludicrous.
On February 8th, 2006, Allen's new ploy was the "More Good Foundation", along with Mr. Obfuscation himself, Daniel C. Peterson, to further mis-lead Internet searches on Mormonism to pro-Mormon sites. Allen registered hundreds - if not into a couple thousand - websites, from everything from "http://aboutmormons.org," to "http://africanamericanmormons.org," to "http://webmormon.com," and more (see http://themormoncurtain.blog/topic_fa...) Allen shows a history of this kind of behavior.
FARMS, FAIR (or whatever they want to call themselves), Allen and Daniel will continue to mislead those who are easily convinced, who cannot decipher their lengthy verbosities, and who are unfortunately tricked into "Milk before Meat". Meanwhile, myself, and hundreds of other Ex-Mormons are working very hard to make sure the truth is there in easy to read formats - now including video.
I believe the exposure as to what Allen did was beneficial, even if the lawsuit has ended unsuccessfully.
What stuns me is that the attorneys who represented Allen Wyatt and FAIR are on the MAAD boards posting it up about how well they defeated the UTLM.
| | Wednesday, May 14, 2008, at 07:51 AM The Mormon Cult's Church Handbook Of Instructions - How You Can Read It Online And Get A Copy Posted By Infymus INFYMUS -Guid- | ↑ | Here is how you can get your hands on a copy of the Church Handbook Of Instructions.
1. Browse to Wiki Leaks: http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Wikilea...
2. In the "Search" box, type "mormon handbook instructions".
3. Click on the "Church Handbook Of Instructions". As of 5/14/2008 there are several copies. Right click and save the PDF version.
4. Sit back and read the manual that is forbidden for general membership, but made available to Bishops and Stake Presidents.
Please note that this is not the current version but is the 1999 version. The latest version is 2005 and has various changes such as the LDS Cult will now excommunicate you for apostacy.
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